School of Business and Trade (sobat.org)

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  1. AsianStew

    AsianStew Active Member

    There's going to be more joining the cheapo-degree offerings, what's going online right now besides this? I guess there will be a new list of programs sooner or later...
    Ya, I remember a while ago, the certificate used to be $25+$10 Pounds for shipping/handling and it was printed, now it's all PDF and online, more expensive as well.
    Here's a review from 2017 and has recent comments: https://business-english-success.com/school-of-business-and-trade-sobat
     
  2. Neuhaus

    Neuhaus Well-Known Member

    What the heck, I'll weigh in on this despite the political charge.

    It's inconsistent, as Johann points out.

    Drug Dealer certainly has a negative connotation. However both words taken in their literal meaning can be accurately assigned to either a pharmacist or a pharmaceutical sales rep just as easily.

    Why does the guy who sells heroin get a label that omits the word "illegal?"

    There is no modifier there on the word "drugs" to differentiate it from legal purveyors of pharmaceuticals. You're not an illegal drug dealer or a dealer of illicit drugs. You're just a drug dealer.

    The only time when anybody feels the need to put the word "illegal" into the descriptor seems to be around immigration. This is odd, I think, considering that illegal entry to the United States is, as far as severity of punishment goes, not really that serious in the grand scheme of crime. For a first offense, the maximum imprisonment is 6 months. Situating it somewhere around the sentencing maximums for reckless driving (which is often defined, among other things, of exceeding the speed limit by a certain amount). You would think that drug crimes would warrant the word more. Or maybe violent offenses.

    People act like this is a treasonous act that should be punishable by death. But that's another story.

    Undocumented immigrant is no difference from saying an unlicensed driver. We don't say an unlicensed driver is an "illegal" driver even though it is most certainly illegal to operate a motor vehicle without a license. An unlicensed driver is just that; someone who drives without the required license. Just as an undocumented immigrant is one who immigrates but without the required documentation.

    It doesn't need to be controversial. It doesn't need to be political.
     
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  3. TeacherBelgium

    TeacherBelgium Active Member

    Do you think it would be a waste of money to pay them over 120 euro for a certificate of '' masters of science in business studies ''?
    I don't even know if it would be wise to add that to my resume with all the negative reactions I read here.
    If an employer thinks the same way, he won't look at my other qualifications and will throw my resume in the bin if he thinks they are a mill or something.
    What do you think? You know your stuff and have lots of experience with this kind of stuff, AsianStew...
     
  4. AsianStew

    AsianStew Active Member

    I would skip it since you already have the ENEB/Universidad Isabel I MBA, this would be redundant as your other Masters will have better recognition than this...
    If this was the first degree or Masters, then that would have been a different story. I would have recommended you to finish this and get the ENEB MBA & Masters.
     
  5. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    I do. It's one thing to get a second Master's in something else, say to change careers, etc. But another one in the same thing? That doesn't make sense.
     
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  6. Thorne

    Thorne Active Member

    I'm with Steve, there's just no point to it.

    Not only is it a degree in the exact same field as your MBA, but it is also entirely unaccredited. Maybe if you have $200 to burn and can send this to NARIC to use that in lieu of accreditation it's worth it to take one for the team, but otherwise? Nah
     
  7. Mac Juli

    Mac Juli Well-Known Member

    Hello!


    If you have $200 to burn, I know better things you could do. Give it to the University of the People. Buy some good "For Dummies" books. Or if you appreciate, like me, cheap and (at least somewhat) accredited courses, have a look here: https://cmls-global.com/courses/

    Or you can just give it to me. I promise I will be grateful. Thanks in advance. :)


    Best regards,
    Mac Juli
     
  8. JoshD

    JoshD Well-Known Member

    I think this is a case by case situation. I have an MBA with a concentration in Management and I am currently pursuing a 2nd masters, a Master of Science in Quantitative Management. Would you say this does not make sense?
     
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  9. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    In your case, I'd say that the more salient difference is that the first was at a compass point state school, whereas the one you're doing now is at Duke.
     
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  10. innen_oda

    innen_oda Active Member

    I am intrigued. I had assumed accreditation was a binary, you either are or you aren't, kind of deal.
     
  11. JoshD

    JoshD Well-Known Member

    Fair enough.

    I have noticed too, that a lot of MBA students in the United States are ones with an MBA from Indian Schools. This makes sense to me because it does seem to be common to go straight from undergrad to an MBA in those countries without having garnered much experience.
     
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  12. Mac Juli

    Mac Juli Well-Known Member

    Well... In this case, you get a certificate from EBMA. Some universities in UK accept this to get an advanced entry for some programmes. Accredited or not? Hard to say, huh?
     
  13. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Like foreign transcript evaluators, accreditors are simply offering a third party opinion of an institution. And there are quite a few accreditors out there where different observers disagree on the significance of their opinions.
     
  14. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

     
  15. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    (1)There are no BAD "For Dummies" books. I have a lot of 'em - from "Blues Guitar" through "C++ Programming." They all worked. The C++ one came with the "Bloodshed" compiler on CD. Still have it.

    (2) CMLS can lead to something. Or not. On its own, depending who sees it, I don't know how far it would get you, just having one of these diplomas. They do fill a niche - getting you advanced standing into a University Program. If you have no degree, then you take their Level 7 course for about 800 pounds. That's supposed to get you into a top-up MBA at a British Uni - Chichester or Anglia Ruskin, for 3,300 pounds or so. These two British unis seem to have a boatload of articulation agreements like this with non-degree-granting schools like CMLS. I get a little anxious sometimes, when I see that.

    What you end up with if all goes well is an MBA. What do you tell people when they ask you: "What about your bachelor's?" Might / might not present a problem - depending how you present to a prospective employer, more than anything else. Tell 'em exactly how you did it. They MIGHT be impressed or, if not, at least give you points for telling the truth.

    "Sort-of" accredited - an iffy status. This can work - but only for the brave. Well, I guess Mac is brave ---isn't he? :)
     
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  16. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Another thing. The only $200 ones are low-level stuff.

    Rough translation of these levels:

    3 - High School "O" (ordinary) level.
    4 - High School "A" (advanced) level. Brit. High School advanced, for those going to Uni. Maybe like HS plus some APs in U.S.
    5 - Roughly first year or thereabouts of University - or equivalent
    6 - Bachelor level - or equivalent
    7 - Master level - or equivalent.

    The upper-level diplomas at CMLS cost way more than $200. The level 7 I looked at was 800 pounds - that's $1,034 U.S. British vocation-oriented private schools like CMLS can issue pretty high-order 'equivalent' qualifications -but NO degrees. That's where the Uni comes in. Well, I guess that's one of the benefits of a Qualifications Framework. :)
     
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  17. Thorne

    Thorne Active Member

    There are a handful of them, this one is the best I've seen: https://www.reed.co.uk/courses/level-7-diploma-in-management-and-leadership/282316#/courses/?keywords=EBMA&sortby=PriceAsc
    Same thing through CMLS, pretty inexpensive, same articulation to other universities for an MBA.
     
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  18. Mac Juli

    Mac Juli Well-Known Member

    To Point #01, I shared the same opinion until I read "Process management for Dummies" (German version). - To Point #02, in the EU, it is fairly common to get access to an MBA program without a bachelor degree. If you work for more than a certain number of years, several universities will give you access via "maturity route" in the UK. Same thing in Austria, you can get access to an MBA without bachelor with this and special permission after an interview with the dean (like me).

    And yes, this is iffy, but well, if's the way things are in Great Britain. Well, I think we all know that the clocks tick differently there.
     
  19. Mac Juli

    Mac Juli Well-Known Member

    I have seen some for less money for the upper-level division. See the link Thorne posted.
     
  20. Mac Juli

    Mac Juli Well-Known Member

    Hello!

    Can be seen this way. I have, however, seen other interpretations (and these are just this - interepretations. At least, in my humble opinion). Level 4 can be seen as eq. to the first year of a three-year-bachelor, and Level 5 as eq. to the second year. Most UK universities that permit advanced entry for these kind of diplomas and certificates share this interpretation.

    Best regards,
    Mac Juli
     
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