English-language Título Propio Degrees - Master Thread

Discussion in 'General Distance Learning Discussions' started by Messdiener, Jan 8, 2023.

  1. Rachel83az

    Rachel83az Well-Known Member

    Oh, it's fast enough. It's definitely fast enough (assuming a decent internet speed). But that doesn't mean it does it well. Even with a language that has few(er) vowels, such as Spanish, it doesn't always hear the words correctly and it'll give you extreme weirdness as a result. All one has to do is look at all the complaints about "Siri" or "Alexa" not recognizing commands. This happens in all languages.
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  2. datby98

    datby98 Active Member

    Spanish beats and rubs me with the pronunciations of "r" and "rr."

    Nonetheless, if we go back to the theme of this thread, considering the language barrier, it therefore adds some weight to the higher prices of Título Propio degrees, especially medicine-, nursing-, or health-related programs in English, provided by those institutions.
  3. LearningAddict

    LearningAddict Well-Known Member

    lol, it will almost certainly cost more than the propio. But when considering the low cost of the propio, adding on the expense of the translation will still have you coming out with a far lower cost than you'd have with a comparable North American program.
  4. Rachel83az

    Rachel83az Well-Known Member

    I once discussed doctorates with someone who isn't a native speaker of English. They said they weren't sure they had sufficient skill in English to do an English-language doctorate (I think they do), but they don't think they could do one in their native language either because almost everything they've done professionally since graduation has been in English. So, they aren't even sure of the technical terms in their native language.
  5. Dustin

    Dustin Well-Known Member

    I think if I had a propio I was very interested in, this would be my excuse to actually learn Spanish. In the same vein I've looked for online French courses and things I could take to help keep me motivated to work in that language.
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  6. Dustin

    Dustin Well-Known Member

    I just ran into this with someone prepping for the PMP. They struggled with passing the exam in English and someone asked them why they don't just take it in Arabic. They explained that they knew all of the terms in English so they'd have to spend more time re-learning everything in Arabic versus just continuing to practice it in English.
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  7. Messdiener

    Messdiener Active Member

    I'd tend to agree. While it may be possible, I'd want the challenge of doing it myself and would feel more honest about it, especially if I were to list that I'd completed a degree from Spain, in Spanish on my CV.
  8. Messdiener

    Messdiener Active Member

    On a tangential but still related note, perusing all of these schools and their offerings has got me wondering what it takes to set up one of these study centers in Spain and how easy or difficult it would be to partner with Isabel I, UCAM, or other Spanish universities.

    Some centers seem to offer similar degrees to one another, but not all of the propio degrees seem to be offered directly by the universities themselves. Do some universities offer templated curricula to partner institutions? For the unique programs, what is the process for course or degree approval? (All rhetorical questions for the moment!)

    For those willing to set up a business in Spain, it may be an untapped market, especially if you have plans to serve non-Spanish speakers. We clearly have a market full of available students right here on DI and over on the other board. :D
  9. Johann766

    Johann766 Active Member

    What exactly do you mean with "untapped market"? English language propio certficated/degrees in general?
  10. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    I shouldn't really speak for anyone -- but heck, I will anyway. :) Messdiener can, of course, correct me if I'm wrong - as I often am.

    Johann766, I think the "untapped market" refers to English-language propio programs, delivered by a study centre, in conjunction with a University such as Isabel 1, UCAM etc. that has the experience and authority to create such degree programs and award degrees - The Uni. would supply a "templated curriculum" to the study centre, for teaching purposes.

    Messdiener wrote that he was wondering what it takes to set up such a study centre.

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  11. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    I wonder how feasible such an arrangement is - for one reason: It might be hard to attract business based on price. The university has to make money off this - and so does the study centre. The student has to pay for both - including the profit. Not easy - but some companies manage to do it.

    Yes, it's done. A lot of it in some countries, much of it with mainstream degrees, not propios. Study Centres, connected with mainstream Universities, are particularly numerous in India. They usually serve students who live far from the University campus.
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  12. Messdiener

    Messdiener Active Member

    Spot on, @Johann! While ENEB has the market cornered for business propios, I wonder what opportunities would exist for propios in other fields.

    Could an English-language study center open and turn a profit on, say, degrees for teachers, historians, etc.?

    Nothing too serious. Just a mental exercise for us to play around with here on DI!
  13. Johann766

    Johann766 Active Member

    Well I guess it´s not an untapped market, obviously we have ENEB, also we have UCAM, UCN&Azteca and a few more that have been mentioned on degreeinfo (can´t remember their names right now). I do remember e.g. Brittany Universite in connection with VERN University from Croatia.
  14. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    For teachers, I don't know. To be useful in their careers, for increased pay etc. the degrees would probably have to pass muster in their home English-speaking countries and propios often evaluate to less than what's on the diploma e.g. propio master's = grad certificate etc. Where that doesn't present a problem - in cases where the person will never need a foreign degree evaluation etc. - yes, definitely - earning these degrees could be a very rewarding experience.

    I know this um - old guy about 80 :) who might take one (or even two) in the hopes that they'd make him a better fiction writer. If the price was right...
  15. Messdiener

    Messdiener Active Member

    While I can't speak for all states, provinces, or nations, a number of the places I've worked in as an educator have required ongoing professional development. This could include conferences & seminars, university credits, and/or degrees. Each region or country had its own requirements, but many would count mere university credits towards ongoing re-certification.

    So, with that in mind, some kind of educational credits could be of benefit to a number of teachers in different parts of the world. As for course or degree evaluation, that's an entirely different can of worms, that I'm entirely unfamiliar with (with regards to re-certification)!
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  16. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    For continuing ed - professional development - yeah! As degrees for pay-grid jumps and promotions -- not so much, because that's where the foreign credential evaluation etc. would likely come in - and all bets are off. So - definitely useful - but not a Swiss Army Knife.
  17. Courcelles

    Courcelles Active Member

    In my state, the levels for teachers are BA, BA plus 18 grad credits, masters, MA plus 30 more grad credits, and doctorate. That MA plus 30 is a nice raise, and doesn’t have to be in a degree.

    A NACES member evaluation for a propio being worth grad credits could be useful for those teachers who already have one masters and want a cheap raise, at least in SC, perhaps.
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  18. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    So I was wrong --- yet again! Seriously, good to know! Thanks. :)
  19. Johann766

    Johann766 Active Member

    At some point in this forum we´ve discussed on what legal basis Spanish universities are allowed to award titulo propio´s.
    I think that someone wrote that they are legally only allowed to award Masters (or some kind of "expert" titels).
    However UCAM is offering Bachelors as well as the DBA as titulo propio. I can´t find any other Spanish school who awards propios other than Masters (and the "expert" title).
    Does anyone remember where this legal basis was discussed?
  20. AsianStew

    AsianStew Moderator Staff Member

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