EdX: 9 new degrees

There's nothing to disagree on. The schools that award credit for these certificates state that they are non-academic.

The main thing I took issue with is your post stating that these are graduate certificates. These should not be confused with graduate certificates. Graduate certificates consist of credits earned in residence under a school's accreditation. You get a regular transcript directly from the school. If you needed 18 graduate credit hours to teach a subject, a graduate certificate would count, but a Micromasters would not.

On a related note, some of the schools have stated that micromasters credits will be treated like transfer credits even though these are their own programs. This is similar to how CSU Global treats its CBEs as transfer credits that fall under their transfer credit limits, and they don't count toward the residency requirement. Because of this, COSC wouldn't accept them at first until I argued with them through email. CSU Global even warns that these credits may not transfer because they aren't listed on the transcript as in-residence credits. They're listed as transfer credits.

 

How to understand residency in 100% online Masters degree programs.
The University of Maryland MBA program has 100% online DL degree, no residency required. As the title of this tread Masters degrees completely by EdX platform.
These are nonresident degrees.
I have no problem to call MicroMasters a Graduate Credential as it seems to be called a credential.

And let's say I was successful in transferring the credential and earn 14 graduate academic credits toward an MBA is it still nonacademic?
It was Academic, to begin with, and it's academic when credit granted. The level is of Graduate Academic class.
While more Graduate level degrees offered via EdX platform that is nonresidential 100% online.

So I disagree with your view. These are academic graduate credentials. (not to confuse with graduate certificates )

 

I'm not talking about that kind of residency. I thought residency requirements were generally understood by regular posters, but I was mistaken. Residency requirements most often refer to courses that have to be taken with the school whether by distance or on campus. It's not referring to physical presence.

If Capella gives me credit for the PMP or CISSP certification in one of their graduate programs, they are still non-academic credentials. A school can choose to give credit for just about anything as long as they can justify it to their accreditor.

 

Bullshit.

Not only is Sanantone wrong, she's at it again with her usual at-tee-tude: presumptuous, condescending and patronizing.

But, as always, funny.

I, as usual, am right. And with my usual at-tee-tude: presumptuous, condescending, and patronizing.

But, as always, funny.

 

In DL world residency usually means time spent on physical campus, summer session hands-on labs or classes, in contrast to learning by distance, online, correspondence etc.
Some programs are part-time residential, sometimes referred to as a sandwich program. PMP certification is not the same as graduate level university classes.
The micromasters classes that are credit eligible are just the same as the rest of the online degree offered by Universities via edX.

Here is what MIT has to say about MicroMasters:
https://micromasters.mit.edu/

 

Good point. Apart from TESC perhaps, you can rarely transfer in all of your credits from other institutions. You will have to complete x number of credits at the school that actually awards the degree. So if a particular university that awarded these credits is accepting them into its own degree program as transfer credits, they still might not count towards that x number of credits. I believe that some schools treat their own extension credits that way.

Another good point. Schools will often want transcripts from all the schools that you are claiming transfer credit from. If CSU Global transcripts show these CSU Global credits as transfer credits, that might create difficulties with some admissions evaluations.

 

1. Most college students are in on-campus programs.

2. Most online programs do not have a physical residency requirement.

3. 99.9999 of colleges and universities have a residency requirement, and it is NOT referring to physical presence. It is referring to the number of credits you have to take with the school. SACSCOC requires at least a 25% residency requirement, and it has nothing to do with taking courses on campus.


Therefore, residency requirements most often refer to how many credits you have to take with a school rather than whether or not you have to be on campus.

You're never funny, and you rarely provide any useful information. You can't even articulate how I am wrong. You're just mean because you love to be mean. If you aren't a psychopath, then I feel sorry for you because one would have to be miserable to be mean for no reason.

 

If you're living in 2005. It is 2018. There are thousands of distance learning programs going all the way up to the doctoral level that require no campus visits. On the other forum, which is also a DL forum, the discussion of residency requirements is almost always a discussion of how many transfer credits are allowed.

 

I'm not excluding that terminology and meaning of words evolve with time, but in 2018 still, residency is considered on physical campus. The only difference is that today DL becoming/became streamline and possibly soon will become and move to be included in a traditional way to earn a degree adds to the confusion for residence and limited use of the term for online degrees etc. I welcome the change and application of the term to DL, Online degrees.
The problem with this is that Engineering, Healthcare and other degree programs that require physical presence in labs, clinicals etc may need to be called physical residence vs on-line residence.

 

In 2018, and for a very long time before when online degree programs didn't even exist, residency is most often used to refer to the number of credits you have to take with the school. Many distance education programs with on-campus components don't even refer their campus requirements as "residency requirements."

It doesn't even matter. I was using residency in the way most colleges and universities use it every day, and you thought I was using the other meaning. Now that is cleared up, we can get back to how some schools are treating edX credits as transfer credits.

 

I used UMass as an example thinking that it would be a generic school that offers both on-campus and online degrees. Here's what it says,


2. A minimum of 45 credits must be taken in residence on the UMass Amherst campus after readmission and before graduation. These credits may include online courses taken at UMass Amherst.


So in this instance, the idea of "residential credits" clearly indicates that the credits may be online and not "butt-in-classroom."

http://www.umass.edu/registrar/sites/default/files/academicregs.pdf

 

Again, bullshit. If you had said "many colleges," I'd be delighted to agree with you - Kizmet provided an example with U. Mass. Amherst that supports your position. But 99.9999 (percent)? Give me a break. If you ever succeed in earning your Ph.D. and your research continues to be that sloppy, you will be an abject failure. I, as usual, will laugh at you.

Whose argument is the strongest? IMO, Lerner's, above. He or she aced it, right down to citing M.I.T., which originated the MicroMasters concept, and which has always used standard graduate credit courses in their program.

I'm usually funny, and often provide useful information. And you can't even articulate why you're right - you simplhy make unsubstantiated generalizations. I never thought of becoming a psychopath, but it might make an amusing occasional diversion. In the meantime, I've been in the nontraditional education game long enough that I've developed a keen sense of schadenfreude.

So, would you like a little cheese with your whine?

 

Wrong again, but at least you finally admitted that the term has more than one meaning that can be correct.

By the way, residencies (as I have used the term) are not limited to being "on campus." When I did my program with Union (which is in Cincinnati), my colloquium and one of my seminars were in New York State, and my other two seminars were in Washington, DC. That was part of the whole University Without Walls model. Campus does not always mean a school's physical campus.

And as you said, now that these things are cleared up, we can get back to peacefully dissing each other in the background.

BWA-HA-HA-HA-HA!

 

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I welcome such application of the term, I didn't think it was common practice today, it seems like it expanded to Dl, online university classes offerings.
DL, On-Line is no more non-traditional. It's a good evolution.
I remember times when we read about universities not taking these methods seriously, and no willingness of traditional universities to jump on bandwagon of DL, things definitely changed.
Top tier universities offering advanced degrees online.
Universities that covered a nitch such as OU are now restructuring trying to remain relevant.

 

Your brain must be aging. I never said that residency is not used in the other context. I said that it was mostly used in the context of where you earn your credits. CSU Global is a 100% online school. That should give you a clue that I am not talking about physical presence. But, you lack common sense.

Secondly, I quoted MIT. They said that the Micromasters is a professional credential that does not come with academic transcripts. Another partner school, which I also quoted, called it a non-academic credential.

Thirdly, the Big 3 are known as such because they were the only known schools that had no residency requirement. They now do require a course or two. Try taking a randomized sample and see how many colleges and universities do not have a residency requirement. I can already tell you that every school in the Southern Association does because it's an accreditation requirement.

 

MIT, as I posted earlier, calls their Micromasters an Academic credential.
Professional credentuals can be academic credentials on Graduate and Post-Graduate level.
In the UK, for example, there is a whole framework of qualifications that range from level 1 to level 8.
Professional Qualification on level 7 will be a masters degree (US Graduate) UK Post Graduate level credential.
Not all of them come with supplement - transcript. Yet they have academic value.

 

My brain must be aging? Hell, I hope it is. I graduated from TESC 31 years ago - that's before some of the kiddies here were born As for lacking common sense (despite my having a Ph.D. for over a quarter century and you still not having one), you don't even know what common sense is. So there. Ha-ha, and all that crap. Excuuuuuuuse me if I don't take you seriously.

Sanantone, take a page from the Rich Douglas page book. It took him a long time to learn this, but it ultimately paid off in terms of his sanity: You don't have to respond to everything. Let arguments slide - there are more important things in life. You'll also make an ass of yourself a lot less than you're doing now.

Again, you're back on your esoteric definition of residency. And residency (as you use the term) was only one factor in defining the term The Big 3. You make it the only factor. One thing is clear: You have not yet learned to think like a doctor.

By the way, Sanantone, as long as you're "Ph.D. Pending" and do not reveal the source of your other degrees (yes, in your sig file), you will always come off as somewhat of an anonymous troll. I checked to see if you include them on "the other forum" (as you call it), and you don't. But one person who does is Cookderosa, and I couldn't help but notice that you are going after her with one of her meat cleavers. Holy shit, Sanantone. Going after Jennifer? I can see you not liking me, because I call you out as the bullshitter I think you are, but Jennifer is highly knowledgeable about nontraditional education (yes, more than you), a published author in the field, and an all-around nice person. It reminded me of the days you used to give at-tee-tude to Bruce, even though both of you are in a CJ-related field (although he has cop experience, which far outweighs your PO experience). Is there anyone with whom you can get along in a manner that includes mutual respect?

Don't think too hard. I'll be busy laughing at you, as usual.
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After-post P.S. - Are there really such words as secondly and thirdly? I'm too lazy to check those out now, but even if the words exist they would be poor style. Yet another reason to laugh at . . . Well, you know.
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Even in 2006, people on this forum understood "residency requirement" in that context.

https://www.degreeinfo.com/index.php?threads/schools-with-lowest-residency-credits-required.24614/

https://www.insidehighered.com/blogs/confessions-community-college-dean/cbe-pla-and-residency-requirements

NEASC, SACSCOC, and HLC all have policies on residency requirements.

http://cdn2.hubspot.net/hubfs/617695/premium_content_resources/pla/PDF/CAEL_PLA_Accreditation.pdf

https://oedb.org/advice/choosing-an-online-school-for-transfer-students/

https://www.geteducated.com/distance-learning-for-active-duty-army-soldiers/269-will-all-my-online-school-credits-as-a-military-student-transfer

Regarding the schools I have attended, they have been listed in my signature on both forums for years. I just took them out a couple of months ago because a few people on the other forum were searching my schools to find my personal profiles. As a matter of fact, Jennifer knows my real name. I still regularly talk about the schools I have attended, but I expected that your memory would be poor.

You should be embarrassed that you have never heard of the words secondly and thirdly. They are in the Merriam, Oxford, Cambridge, and MacMillan dictionaries. How can you determine that the use of those words are in poor form when you haven't even heard of such basic and common words? I was in honors and AP English in middle school and high school, but I figured even regular English classes taught these words. Your self-designed PhD that caused so much controversy is really nothing to brag about.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/secondly
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/explore/first-second-firstly-secondly
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/secondly
https://www.macmillandictionary.com/us/dictionary/american/secondly
http://grammarist.com/usage/firstly-secondly-thirdly/

The recent discussion with Jennifer on the other forum is actually not about non-traditional education. But, if you and Jennifer think that someone teaching culinary arts at a university with a bachelor's degree is a good gauge of someone's job prospects in communications, then neither one of you should be taken seriously. I mean, you've never even heard of the word "secondly."

If you think that cop experience outweighs the experience of any other criminal justice professional, then you know nothing about the criminal justice system. Most of the workings of the CJ system are in the court and corrections (including community corrections) systems. Law enforcement is just a small part of criminal justice.

Laughing at your own jokes while you're the only human in your truck does not make you funny. I get along very well with my coworkers. Social media and forums are known to attract many social outcasts.

 

Wow . . . Sanantone, you just created a magnum opus to go point-by-point on a bunch of arguments that simply don't matter. Sounds like you need to get a life.

But I'm delighted that you get along with your co-workers. It leaves you more room to offend your co-posters on this forum and over at DegreeForum. Although your air of superiority is fouling up the room...

By the way, I have no truck - I retired last March, and am now kicking back and not preoccupied with much of anything, including this forum. I'm consistent in terms of occasionally instigating, but I have a life outside these pages, which is why I don't spend my time linking to websites that you and others post.