Education And Skills Committee

People are not buying in to your false accusations.

There is nothing wrong with this post but you.

As mentioned earlier the emails are real people are real.

In my opinion you have a very serious psychological problem of very unhappy person who is cheated and deceived by everyone.

Please produce evidence about your false accusations.
And stop manipulating my post as it is the end of the world.

you don't have to read it and even better to address it.

Well maybe some readers prefer free entertainment.

On whose payroll are you?
CRAZY imaginations.
Who appointed you a judge in this group?

Go back to your accusations that I¡¦m Azad ƒº
Pr the Brits are scamming to create diploam mills and Learner is a Brit.

Maybe you¡¦ll score with one of your buddies.
I can¡¦t believe I¡¦m wasting my time even responding to your mambo jumbo paranoia.

Would a real shill please visit the site and give Gregg something to brag about?

Learner

 

Empty acusations without supporting facts are = 0

Thats all.

 

A few posts back they spoke Russian at home, now they spoke Romanian, and Ukraine was like Arizona, etc., etc.

I understand this perfectly.

 

I don't know (or care) about Lerner et al, but the point of the post is interesting. Interesting in the sense that the University of Knightsbridge has been named as a mill by the British authorities.

Now I wonder what Mr Hayes and the other defenders of Knightsbridge would say about this? But I think they left this forum some time ago...

http://www.knightsbridgeuniversity.com/

 

Come one don't tell me you don't know the history of the region.

But once you are biased then noting I can do, anything I will say you will find and interpret it in a negative way.

Shame on you.

Here is some news to support my statement

Tue Jun 28, 1:40 PM ET

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050628/wl_nm/romania_king_dc

BUCHAREST (Reuters) - Romania's parliament has cleared the way for former King Michael to receive 30 million euros ($36.37 million) as compensation for a historic Carpathian castle seized by the communists six decades ago.

My father was 12 when his small village of Ungeny became the border between Moldova and Romania.

My ankle lost his little grocery store that he owned, communists took it away. All my family from father’s side scattered to Carpati Mountains after and during the war.

My home town birth place is Chernovtsi or Cherneutse in Romanian.
On my mothers side no one understand Romanian they are all from Ukraine.

And when I was born it was Ukraine.

Chernovitsi State University is what used to be called the Residencia - Polish Pans reside there in the past and its a beutiful castel with lake and swans and bereza trees.

The City of Chernivtsi
The city (in German Czernowitz) was the capital of Bukowina or Buchenland province of the Austrian Empire to 1849-1918, (in Romanian Cernauti) the capital of Bucovina Region of the Kingdom of Romania 1918-1940 and 1941-1944, (in Russian Cernovci) the seat of Chernovickaja Oblast' of the Soviet Union 1940-1941 and 1944-1992, now (Cherivtsi) the seat of Chernivtsi Oblast of Ukraine.

I found the Coat of Arms of the city on the site of Ukrainian Heraldry:

The modern Coat of Arms:
"The modern Coat of Arms of the town practically copies the historical symbol. In the gate there can be seen a Trident - the Coat of Arms of Ukraine. The laurel branches are banded with a azure-and-yellow ribbon. The Coat of Arms is situated on a decorative or crossbow and is crowned with an argent mauerkrone with five embattlements."

The Coat of Arms of the Austrian period 1775-1918:
"The Austrian historian Vickenhauzer asserted that an CoA was given to Chernivtsi in 1784.

The Coat of Arms of the Romanian period (1918-1940, 1941-1944):
"In 1918-1940 Chernivtsi were under the Romanian jurisdiction and the Coat of Arms didn't change much. In a gules field there was a fortress with embattlements and with two rectangular towers. The fortress had an open gate with an Coat of Arms of Moldova. In chief between the towers there was an or rose. The shield is crowned with an argent mauerkrone with seven embattlements."

The soviet Coat of Arms:
"In an azure shield is a gules arc with or sickle and hammer. There is argent mountains in arc. In the bottom of shield is vert branches of beech and two argent wave barrulets."

The first mention of the city is from 1408.

Some of the names of the city: Chernivtsi in Ukrainian, Czernowitz or Tschernowitz in German, Cerna~uti in Romanian, Chernovcy or Chernovicy in Russian, Czerniowce in Polish, Csernovic in Hungarian, Tshernevits or Tshernovits in jiddis.

 

And other persons found this to be interesting as well.
I got so far 12 emails from deferent visitors who know me personally and Gregg’s behavior and accusations revealed to them that he is overzealous.

Junko is the same way overzealous.

Thanks for sharing your opinion.

Learner

 

"Knightsbridge University," not "University of Knightsbridge."

Where did you see this? Which British authorities? I would like to read this.

The link you provide is to Knightsbridge. It would seem unfortunate to advertise it in that fashion.

 

a snore for a schnorrer

Now he wants me to argue about Cernauti and impugns my knowledge of Romanian history. That won't work. All this is just a distraction from wild inconsistencies in the trollish-shillish postings designed to give a veneer of legitimacy to the disgusting IUFS. But Russian chauvinism is still Russian chauvinism. And nobody much is impressed with that. And shilling for a mill is still shilling for a mill. Snore.

Janko Preotul

 

Re: a snore for a schnorrer

You wanted to know why Romanian languige was spoken in my home, well you know now.


SO what you need a new angle to find something wrong with me you bring IUFS?

Please provide prove that I'm shilling.

I exposed them and pointed the Negative and the actual what they have.

What else do you need?

Obviously your definition of shill is every one who talks about an entity.
That includes your self.

You are Shilling for your buddy Gregg.

 

Re: Re: a snore for a schnorrer

Woo hoo! ROFLChairmanMAO! Even agitprop can be funny!

 

Oh yea, well I have so far received 1,362,978 emails from deferent vistors (including 56 from outer space) who know you personally and think that you're a silly goose.

 

And right there is a perfectly illustrative example of Lerner's modus operandi around here. It's -- at least in part -- what I mean when I talk about Lerner's covert methodology; the sneaking of his agenda into the spotlight, and then pretending he doesn't know what everyone's talking about when he gets called on it. He did it with the UNESCO/NACES thread a while back; he tried it with the IUFS thread more recently; and he's doing it again, here. Like the shill that he is, and in a fashion so typical and classic that it is nearly the definition definition of a criminal mind, Lerner characterizes his accusers as crazy; and the phrase "false accusations" has now become his mantra.

Unable to garner some actual supporters here, he refers to imaginary ones -- at least a dozen, he claims -- who allegedly email and/or PM him with messages of interest and support; and characterizations of his detractors as "overzealous." I don't believe it. It's just another laughable Lerner lie. Step forward, cowardly Lerner supporters. Reveal yourselves here, alleged dozen or so Lerner supporters, so that your allegations of excessive zeal, and your tacit approval of Lerner's millishness may be analyzed and/or refuted in an open forum, where such analysis and refutation belong.

Do you mean "this thread, Lerner?" 'Cause the only thing wrong your your posts is you.

Uh, huh.

Ah, yes... unable to argue the actual issues anymore, his retorts degrade to a variation on the time-worn, "You're nuts!"

And I'm quite happy in this life, Lerner -- happier for having the opportunity to expose you for what you are. And I have no track record of claiming to have been cheated or deceived by people in this lifetime. Perhaps you're projecting... again. Oh, sure, I've encountered my share of disingenuous types -- you being only one of the most recent -- but I'm not one of those kinds of people who sits around and bitches about what a victim I am and how everyone's just trying to cheat me. There are people like that, of course. But is there really anyone here who believes that I, of all people, think of myself as a victim?

And "manipulation"... that's another thing (in addition to false accusations) that laughable-Lerner-liar types allege when they're about out of things of which to accuse their detractors.

Ha! Anything you wrote -- here or anywhere else -- should be so important!

Well, of course! I'm sure you'd love it if everyone here would just allow your misleading statements and other millish behavior to go unchallenged. I mean... for a guy like you, that's gotta' be nirvana itself: A DegreeInfo forum where mill shills and nefarious others can mislead readers to their hearts' content! Just think. If that were the case, then DegreeInfo would be as pointless as DegreeBoard or the crabby forum. I will not lift my knee up off your chest, Lerner. You're a shill, plain and simple. Keep being the you you've shown yourself to be here, and I'll keep both reading and addressing it... with necessary and appropriate zeal.

Doesn't everyone? Free ice cream, too, I imagine. So, what's your point? (Always a rhetorical question, in your case, of course.)

My own, an no one else's. You, on the other hand, must be getting paid handsomely by godonlyknows how many mills out there to sneak something seemingly credible into disingenuous posts which, when you're nailed for them here, make you say, in classic perp fashion, "What? What did I do? What are you talking about? You're crazy! I didn't do anything. I was just curious (or "interested," depending on the issue). Something must be wrong with you, man. I'm just making a comment and you're all over me... at least, that's how my 12 email supporters see it!"

See what I mean?

No one. I'm not a judge in this group. One needn't be in order to recognize you as the shill in this group.

I'm increasingly less certain, now, that you're the same person as he who has been calling himself "Azad" in his posts here. I thought that was fairly clear from my reaction to 3$bill's astute linquistic analysis of his and your posts. Nor do I think you're a Brit... a situation which I'm sure, were it the case, they'd find most objectionable. I've never accused you of anything -- including that you might be Azad -- which could not be proven by a preponderance of the evidence. There is not one thing I've ever said about you which you did not first inordinately support by your own words here. There are no false accusations... other than the ones coming from you because you can no longer defend your actual points... few and far between though they may be.

I don't seek the approval of anyone here... or anywhere. That, of all things, should be painfully obvious.

Oh, yeah... and "paranoia"... that's yet another claim that perps make when the evidence of their guilt is overwhelming and can't be refuted by said perp on its merits. Let's not forget paranoia... and oldie, but a goodie.

And finger-pointing at others. That's an oldie-but-a-goodie, too.

And why in godsname do we need even more shills to visit? What... you're not enough?

I would no more be proud of trouncing you here than I would be of taking out the trash... two activities, incidentally, that are roughly equivalent.

And no one is impressed with that.

 

Intentionally missing the point... yet another perp defensive behavior. Man, this is becoming a flying short course in criminal behavior. Keep it up, Lerner... the crminology students here are getting some practicum hours.

If you mean, "So, to find a new angle on finding something wrong with me, you bring up IUFS," once again, we have an example of how you operate. Now you're distancing yourself from your backdoored into these forums (in another thread) the ridiculous notion that maybe IUFS was turning over a new leaf; and that maybe it was becoming credible -- all the while hoping that no one would notice and, therefore, you could get some unsuspecting reader(s) to buy in. You did that. YOU did that! Not Janko. Not me. Not anyone... but you. One needn't find any new angles for find something wrong with you for that. Of course, why am I surprised: Refusing to wear your bad behavior is consistent with your ridiculous claim of having never committed it in the first place. Man, Lerner... you give "pathetic" a whole new meaning.

What... the numerous times we've done so so far isn't enough?

First of all, that's just not true. Any reading -- even a cursory, uncareful one -- of that thread reveals that that's just another laughable Lerner lie (which I may start abbreviating as "LLL" because I'm getting tired of typing it all out). And even if it were true, your other, more supportive words about IUFS reveal that your anti-IUFS words are just a ruse; a failed attempt to make yourself seem (to readers who don't know what you're up to) like you're an IUFS detractor so that your words of IUFS support will seem more credible. After all, if you're an enemy of IUFS, then anything you say about them that's good must be only grudgingly... the most credible kind of testimony there is.

Do you really think that we can't see right through that? Have you lived in a country where the government does that sort of thing (and it gets believed because no one has the courage to challenge it) so long that you don't realize that Americans are conditioned to that kind of critical thinking pretty much from childhood; and, therefore, can spot it -- even on a three-day drunk -- coming from an amateur like you?

You're just not good at this, Lerner! Either that, or, I was right that maybe you're just not very quick on the uptake. Either way, you're outmatched here. You need to go post in forums that allow -- ne, encourage -- your kind of silliness; and where, therefore, you can post your lies with impunity. It's not going to happen here. You're just augering-in... can't you see that? With every one of your words, it just gets worse and worse and worse for you. You really don't get that, do you? You're that disconnected from reality, aren't you? Goodlord.

How 'bout for you to disappear. That would be a good place to start. Or, absent that, for you to finally get it; and to start showing by your words in your posts that you do, so that we can begin respecting, instead of reviling, you.

Oy. Back to the brain tumor thing again. That's the only explanation for a line like that that I can possibly think of to explain it.

Do you even know what "shilling" means? Or "buddy," for that matter?

Shhhh! Dammit, Bill... don't tell him about the people from outer space. Now he'll start trying to mislead them, too!

 

All this amounts to crap.

Yea what ever.

Still no evidense only empty acusations.

I'm not going to leave this group.
You can bark as match as you want.

Learner

 

I think the reader would disagree.

The dissmissive, eyes-rolling-at-the-ceiling-accompanied, empty, can't-think-of-anything-else-to-say retort of teenagers and others immature around the globe.

Judge: "The police heard a voice yell, 'Take that!', and then a gunshot, literally one second before they kicked-in the door and saw you standing over the deceased with a gun, its barrel still hot, and its muzzle still smoking."

Defendant: "So what! They still can't prove I did it."

Oy.

That's fine. Just know that my knee will be on your chest every time anything you write is in any way millish or trollish -- whether directly or indirectly. Post at your own peril.

Go ahead, Mr. Victim, and characterize it as little more than that. That readers here see right through it seems to be lost on you.

And suggested both by the way you did it, and your actual words, that maybe IUFS was coming around to a place of legitimacy. You can deny it 'til you're blue in the face, and it won't change the truth about your provable actions of which there is a verifiable and unassailable record right here in these forums. You may keep on wishing that you hadn't, but wishing won't make it so.

I'd ask what those facts could possibly be in the face of the facts of your own words in these fora, but I know you'd just use them to repeat your same 'ol crap here, now, in this thread, too.

Somehow I'm pretty sure that's not going to stop you, though. Nor will I be stopped, then, from shooting said words down... yet again... and again... and again... however many times it takes.

Your days of coming here and extolling the virtues of worthless diploma mills; or trolling these waters for reactions to your ridiculous direct and indirect assertions in support thereof -- and flat-out lying -- with impunity are over.

Count on it.

 

In all of your baseless accusations you yet to provide the readers one proove.

I never promoted a diploma mill.

Others can come here and post stuff about SRU and others.
But when I seen a change and wanted to post about it you went bazoork.
I come here to post good and valid information.
You have some political agenda and when you don't like the message you try to kill the messenger.
Not new to me.
You are committing slander and blind to your own actions.
And I leave it to the mediator.

All I hear from you and like you crucify him, crucify him

 

I'm not interested in attacking you, but I disagree. You start many threads asking "questions" that are merely thinly disguised promotions. I realize this is highly subject to interpretation, but that is mine.

 

Crucible, comrade, crucible. We melt here to the indistinguishable.

Have you personal experience with current Russian universities or with those of the 70 year unpleasantness?

 

The good parts, I guess:

(Dr Neil Kemp is identified as the Director, Education UK Marketing Division, of the British Council.)

"Q8 Chairman: What damage does it do when we see the growth of bogus universities, universities purporting to be institutions of high repute which are actually a small back office in a seedy street in some part of London, Dorset or wherever? There have been several press articles about students who have pitched up in this country to institutions where they thought that they qualification they had then would give them entry to other things. Is there not a concern here that these shady operators could actually undermine the image we have of quality institutions and quality courses?

Dr Kemp: You are totally right. It is very, very damaging and anything that can be done to ensure that institutions that are trading like that are not allowed to trade, particularly internationally where lack of information certainly might not help, is to our advantage. You have to remember that these institutions are coming here to set up is because we have the quality ring about us. So, they come here and, by association, are using that as an inherent aspect of their marketing, and a student in Wu Jiang(?) or in East Java does not necessarily know that the UNIVERSITY OF KNIGHTSBRIDGE [caps added], to name one that did exist and I do not know if it still does, has a ring of truth about it - it is British, therefore it must be; it is registered in whichever group of islands, I do not know.

Q9 Chairman: What would you do? Would you regulate? Who should regulate these institutions?

Dr Kemp: It is what I think we are going through at the moment. Nick has been involved in this.

Mr Butler: We are working together with the Home Office, IND and the DfES on a number of regulations with a view to setting up a register of education providers in the UK with a view to getting them to full accreditation within the next few years. So, it is something which I think the DfES are leading on in terms of the registration and we are hoping to see some more concrete proposals in the next few weeks."


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Bill Lee

BA, English, Regents External Degree USNY, 1975
MA, Linguistics, West Virginia University, 1984
PhD, English, Boston College 1986
MS Candidate, Statistics, University of Southern Maine


Rich, this is where I got the name of Knightsbridge. Is there a difference between University of Knightbridge and Knightsbridge University? (University of XYZ University/XYZ University)?

By giving the website- something that many posters to this forum do to draw attention to some pretty bad 'institutions' - I was merely trying to draw attention to the university which I believe has been highlighted by the British authorities as a mill!

In the context of this and other threads, some posters like myself, hesitate to try and contribute to the debate fearing that they will be lumped in as supporters of, in this case, Lerner, who I couldn't care less about.