Duke, Johns Hopkins, and Mizzou

Discussion in 'Business and MBA degrees' started by JoshD, Feb 27, 2020.

  1. JoshD

    JoshD Well-Known Member

    Absolutely! My interviewer just submitted his evaluation today so my application is officially completed and in the hands of ad-com.

    Johns Hopkins is such a tempting option too. I have been emailing my finance professor from my MBA program. He said that although Mizzou is established, the JHU program is better in terms of course offerings and quality of faculty.

    I am nervous and excited. I know the programs are not "as competitive" as their full-time on-campus counterparts but they are definitely not open admissions. Still likely difficult to get admitted to. Lol

    TEKMAN Semper Fi!

    Wow! That is pricey...I want to earn an MBA at Imperial College of London...but the price tag of between $45,000.00 to $49,000.00 makes me rethink it. As a VP at a financial institution, the pay is liked changes.
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  3. JP007

    JP007 Member

    I suggest you push on Duke as much as you can...While Hopkins is a powerhouse in the medical world, in the business world is virtually unknown and doesn't rank well. Duke and Hopkins are very far apart in reputation, alumni network and recognition. If you’re looking to work in the medical world that’s a different story, but if you’re going to push more in finance / business, the options the two schools offer isn’t comparable. I never heard of Mizzou.
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  4. JoshD

    JoshD Well-Known Member

    I am definitely pushing for Duke. I am anxiously waiting to hear from them! Hopefully they move semi-quick and I hear something by the end of the week or early next week. They are in an interview intensive time right now with MBA, MQM, MSQM, MSM, etc. programs all having interviews and getting admissions decisions so it may very well push into the 3rd week of March before I hear anything.

    The Robert J. Trulaske, Sr. College of Business at the University of Missouri is ranked #69 in the US News rankings which is not horrible. They are a public university.
  5. JoshD

    JoshD Well-Known Member

    If all else fails and I do not get admitted to Duke or Johns Hopkins, then I am certainly content pursuing my education through Mizzou. I feel I have not given them enough credit in this thread. They are pretty established in terms of business education so I do believe I would get a phenomenal education from them. I believe that their business school is more well-established that Johns Hopkins. Like Kizmet said, there really is no wrong decision and I am grateful to be in this potential situation.
  6. JoshD

    JoshD Well-Known Member

    Today marks 1 week since submitting my application to Johns Hopkins. They had said I would hear something within 2 weeks of a completed, and submitted, application so hopefully tomorrow or early next week!

    In regards to Duke, still likely a couple of weeks.
  7. 202suenos

    202suenos New Member

    The JHU MSF is a cash cow program.

    I did a campus visit two years ago and can confirm the in-class programs in Baltimore and D.C. are 95%+ Asian international students.

    I am not as familiar with the particulars of the online program.

    Based on my experience, I believe a decent MBA program beats out any of these specialized masters programs, even ones from name brand schools.
  8. JoshD

    JoshD Well-Known Member

    Welcome to Degree Info!

    According to the Carey Business School website, the average GMAT for the full-time MS Finance program is a 689. However, you are correct that only 1% are US residents.

    In regards to their part-time distance learning program, 86% of students are US residents.

    I do not necessarily base a program based off how many US residents are in the program.
  9. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator Staff Member

    You say that like it's a bad thing.

    You say that like it's a bad thing.
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  10. 202suenos

    202suenos New Member

    No, I am just adding information based off first-hand knowledge. I was actually accepted to the program, so if either fact had bothered me I would have never applied.

    Your assumptions about my sentiments are off-base.

    However, there are potential applicants who may have an issue with those facts, and it would be disingenuous to say otherwise.
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  11. JoshD

    JoshD Well-Known Member

    I do not see anything disingenuous. It is clearly stated on the Carey Business School website what the percentage of US Citizens is for the program. They are very upfront about the composition of the students. A 689 average GMAT for MS Finance on-campus students just shows me they have some SMART people that likely could have also got into MIT, Vanderbilt, Columbia, etc.
  12. JP007

    JP007 Member

    When it comes to US business schools (driven by their full time MBA programs) there’s the m7 (magnificent 7), these are: Harvard, Stanford, Wharton, Chicago, Columbia, MIT and Kellogg. Everyone else is below them. There are plenty of news articles out there on the m7 business schools and why it is so hard for a school to break into this category. US News and Business Week rankings drive this pissing contest. Duke would fit in the T15 ranking, along w/ Tuck, Darden, Johnson, Ross, etc....Then comes everyone else.....Hopkins would be in the everyone else category, far below Duke and other T15 programs.

    So I disagree w/ the Hopkins b-school student quality (regardless of what program they’re in) is comparable with those at Columbia or MIT. Great Uni, but not a comparable overall b-school to Duke and as such the quality of students / alumni / recruiters / brand value is going to be much weaker.
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  13. JoshD

    JoshD Well-Known Member

    But we are looking at distance learning programs. Not one of the M7 offers a distance learning degree. Heck, only a handful of the top 15 do which is Stern and Fuqua with the MSQM programs and then Ross with their online MBA. I am not certain any others in the top 15 offer a distance learning degree program.
  14. JoshD

    JoshD Well-Known Member

    Which means, for the vast majority of distance learner's in business fields, you will be attending a lower ranked, or non-ranked, business school. Sure Johns Hopkins is not a well-known business school but the MS in Finance curriculum is AMAZING.

    Most online business programs are cash cows and those that are not are from top 25 programs. At least, that is my opinion.
  15. JoshD

    JoshD Well-Known Member

    And since I like JHU curriculum, I would have no issue pursuing my education with them.

    1) Duke
    2) JHU
    3) Mizzou

    I have even tossed around the idea of applying to NYU Stern for their online MSQM. However, they do not offer an accelerated option for those who already have an MBA.
  16. Marcus Aurelius

    Marcus Aurelius Active Member

    What is your reason for earning this degree? I don't recall reading it anywhere (unless I just missed it, which is possible).
  17. JoshD

    JoshD Well-Known Member

    Personal gratification for the most part. I have received both of my degrees at smaller schools and now want a degree from a more well-known uni. I would like to do some adjunct instructing in the future and potentially move into a larger company.
  18. Marcus Aurelius

    Marcus Aurelius Active Member

    Oh, well in that case it really doesn't matter which school you go through all that much. And all this time we've been debating the finer points of how Duke's program is higher ranked than JHU's, etc. I think a degree from any of the three choices you've mentioned will work fine for your goals.
  19. JoshD

    JoshD Well-Known Member

    I would agree. I understand business rankings and they have been harped on this forum a multitude of times. In the end, I am going to pick the program that I feel better suits me, my goals and my budget. If that is Duke, then great. If it is JHU, awesome. If it is Mizzou, fantastic. Duke and Mizzou have more established business programs but JHU is no slouch. They have made great strides in recent years with the quality of their faculty. The 2021 rankings come out in a couple of weeks and I would not be surprised if JHU is finally on the ranking list (albeit, they likely would not be top 100).
  20. JoshD

    JoshD Well-Known Member

    Wednesday March 11th marks the 2 week mark in which I submitted my application to Duke and Thursday March 12th marks the 2 week mark in which I submitted my application to Johns Hopkins.

    On their website, Duke says that an admissions decision will be made 2-4 weeks after submitting application and Johns Hopkins said it would be within 2 weeks. I am hoping to hear from both programs this week (fingers crossed).

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