Discussion in 'Political Discussions' started by nosborne48, Jul 22, 2023.
Thank you Nosborne, much appreciated. I will do my best to follow all your orders!
Not directly but somewhat related to the discussion, and not in defense of actions by some governors:
limiting federal action to situations where constitutional authority
for such action is clear.
National Governors Association
Federalism Implications of Treating States as Stakeholders
Nosborne, this got me to thinking. In the cobwebs of my mind I seemed to remember Andrew Jackson defying a SCOTUS ruling that lead to the Cherokee Trail of Tears. A quick Google check found this.
Jackson allegedly defied the Supreme Court over Worcester v. Georgia (1832), announcing, “John Marshall has made his decision now let him enforce it.” The case revolved around Georgia's attempt to apply state laws to Cherokee lands.
That was almost 200 years ago, has something legally changed that would prevent something like this from happening in this era?
One enormous difference...in that case the defendants were powerless victims of the 19th century's version of Donald Trump. In the current case, the plaintiff is the federal government which has enormous power to enforce the court's decree.
Yup. Blindingly obvious. A federal District Judge just ordered Abbott to pull his dsmned bouys out of the Rio Grande. So once again, Texas taxpayers funded a stupid stunt.
The party of small government strikes again!
"In a democracy, the people get the government they deserve." -- Alexis de Tocqueville
It is in this spirit that I've given up rooting for one side or the other. America, it's on you to decide what you want to be and whom you want as your representatives. I know what I want and support, and that's that.
Unfortunately, in a democracy, everyone gets the government that only a plurality deserve.
Well, with great respect for the ancient Frenchman (whose books I reread in translation from time to time) the purpose of our written constitutions and Bills of Rights is to protect us to some extent from the tyranny of the majority. It’s not QUITE as bad as the quote suggests!
Good that this dangerous life threatening barrier is ordered to be removed.
I read that Abbott will address the issue with 100 thousands crossing the border by doubling the busses going to century cities.
Abbott's press secretary Andrew Mahaleris reacted to Adams' criticism in a statement to Fox News Digital.
"The hypocrisy of Mayor Adams is astounding. Mayor Adams was proud to tout his self-described sanctuary city status until Texas began busing migrants to New York City to provide relief to our overrun and overwhelmed border communities," Mahaleris said by email Thursday. "With millions of residents, New York is only dealing with a fraction of what our small border communities deal with on a day-to-day basis. Instead of complaining about 13,000 migrants sent from Texas, Mayor Adams should be calling out his party leader, President Biden, who has been flying planeloads of migrants all around the country and oftentimes in the cover of night, straining state and local resources across the country. Until President Biden steps up and does his job, Texas will continue busing migrants to sanctuary cities to provide relief to our overwhelmed border towns."
CA state deployed state guards to the Mexico border.
In effort to reduce Met trafficking, smuggling. California has sent more than 200 military personnel to its southern border with Mexico. They are the first of up to 1,200 National Guard Troops who will support existing border agents in the four US states along the country's southwestern frontier
You know, to give the devil his due, the migration of asylee and undocumented aliens DOES affect the border states more than states in the "interior". The federal government could do more to mitigate that impact perhaps than it does. But mitigation isn't what Abbott wants. He wants cruelty.
I'm for respectful and humane treatment of migrants and condemn any acts of cruelty to any person, and especially to weak and defenseless.
There is unfortunately cruelty - some in borders cities view instability of securing the border as cruelty to the US Citizens living these cities.
Talking about cruelty,
Saudi border guards are accused of the mass killing of migrants along the Yemeni border in a new report by Human Rights Watch.
The report says hundreds of people, many of them Ethiopians who cross war-torn Yemen to reach Saudi Arabia, have been shot dead.
Migrants have told the BBC they had limbs severed by gunfire and saw bodies left on the trails.
US can do better but still admitting many migrants to the country.
We as a nation can improve the suffering of the migrants and the suffering of the citizens especially in border cities.
The country got Donald Trump because it elected him. It had another alternative in 2016, but didn't select her. We'll see what it does in 2024.
2024 is still unknown, we can't tell for sure if President Biden will run, the concern is Presidents the age etc. Harris maybe will inherit the presidentship?
CNN Poll: Biden faces negative job ratings and concerns about his age as he gears up for 2024
Roughly three-quarters of Americans say they’re seriously concerned that Biden’s age might negatively affect his current level of physical and mental competence (73%), and his ability to serve out another full term if reelected (76%), with a smaller 68% majority seriously concerned about his ability to understand the next generation’s concerns (that stands at 72% among those younger than 65, but just 57% of those 65 or older feel the same).
Awfully early to tell.
Well that's an unexpected twist! The Fifth Circuit stayed the District Court's order! Now the Fifth Circuit has become very Right Wing in the last decade or so but this is a real surprise even so. We shall see. In the abortion pills case the Supreme Court reversed the Fifth Circuit so it's not impossible the same thing will happen here.
Better her than Trump, but that's no endorsement.
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