DeSantis does it again

Discussion in 'Political Discussions' started by nosborne48, Jul 7, 2023.

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  1. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Its obvious that the DeSantis law is geared against undocumented migration.
    Its catering to the voters in GOP camp that are against any rights for undocumented what they call illegal immigrants.
    This is one of the elections issues that GOP will be attacking Dem's on and GOP candidates will try to show that they are tough on illegal immigration.
    We will hear about overrun schools and hospitals, and busses full of undocumented migrants that are illegally voting int he US elections.
    Immigration and border situation will be a battlefield.
    Compassionate treatment of undocumented migrants with sensible program should be presented and work out a plan that allows hospitals and schools to accommodate people and higher capacity. Unlike the school where my daughter attended at one time 60 kids in her classroom.
    Unfortunately homelessness is on the rise and funds are deflected to combat homelessness, may result with less money for hospitals and schools.
     
  2. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Exactly, Lerner. A driver's license is evidence of basic competence to drive. That's all it is and all it should be. REAL ID changed that. State driver's licenses and non driver ID cards are now national ID cards, something the English speaking world has generally resisted.
     
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  3. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    And incidentally one consequence of REAL ID is that homeless people often can't obtain state ID cards or driver's licenses because they have to show a residence address. Show me in the Constitution where citizens have to have a residence address.
     
  4. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    I doubt that. I think Ontario's bad stats on accidents resulted in the increased training and graduated licensing. It used to be much simpler - and a lot of the one-step drivers are still on the road. The entire "Horseshoe" is tow-truck paradise.
     
  5. Rachel83az

    Rachel83az Well-Known Member

    Not just "a residence address" but an address where one has been living for 6+ months. If you recently moved, you may either be denied or they'll want a ridiculous amount of "proof" that you actually live there.
     
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  6. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    This is also a (first world) problem for full time R/V enthusiasts.
     
  7. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Just as an aside...I said "National" ID not "Federal" ID. That's the fig leaf REAL ID proponents hide behind when they claim that this isn't a national ID card system. It's B.S. True, the documents are issued by States and Territories instead of the US government but every State and Territorial authority is required to meet federal standards for issuance and must provide all data to a single database maintained for the purpose.

    California found out the hard way just how rigid those federal requirements are. CA tried to have applicants provide just one proof of residence and use the successful delivery by mail to that residence as the second proof. Homeland Security slapped them down pretty hard and made the state reverify all the licenses and IDs that relied on that method.

    Oh, REAL ID is a national ID system alright. Show me in the Constitution where the federal government has even a trace of an argument for exercising this authority.
     
  8. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Can you show me, specifically and conclusively, where is says they don't? I think the US Federal Government is edging closer, in this respect, to the Russian Government which so many hate. This goes WAY back past 2001. Think J. Edgar Hoover.

    “When a place gets crowded enough to require ID’s, social collapse is not far away. It is time to go elsewhere." (Robert Heinlein).
     
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  9. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    The federal government has exceeded its authority for long and so thoroughly that such a question is understandable.
     
  10. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Yes, actually, I can. The US Federal government is (supposedly) a government of limited jurisdiction. Congress has only those powers enumerated in Article 1 and all other power resides in the states or in the people. See the 10th Amendment.
     
  11. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    In fact, fear of this very scenario is why the 10th Amendment exists.
     
  12. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    I did. I get it. Your Founding Fathers were wise.
     
  13. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    The 10th Amendment has been dismissed as a "tautology" that "adds nothing" to the text of the constitution. Maybe but the growth of federal power since 1933 and especially post-War makes me think it's more of a futile gesture.

    Not that this is unnecessary. The Civil War Amendments altered the relationship between the states and the federal government in fundamental ways. Add to that the growing interconnectedness of the country's economy and the results are (I suppose) inevitable.

    The final stage of federal ascendancy might be the current nationalization of party politics.
     
  14. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Of course, there's a generous dollop of hypocrisy in my indignation. I applied for and obtained Global Entry membership which required a records check, fingerprinting, and a personal interview by federal officers.

    And why? Because it helps me avoid standing in lines at the airport!
     
  15. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    I wouldn't call that hypocrisy. Instead I'd call it simply dealing with the reality of the situation. Indignation of that reality and dealing with that reality can coexist without any hypocrisy, IMHO.
     
  16. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Thanks I guess but if I were the real Simon Pure, I'd refuse to compromise out of solidarity with those who can't comply.
     
  17. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    That's like the insipid "What do you mean you're libertarian? You use public roads! Har har har!" argument. Just because one lives in this world doesn't mean you can't advocate for a different one.
     
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