"DegreeInfo.com" now a dirty word at CollegeHints.com

Look, I don't have time for this... and probably neither do you. Please, read the first sentence of your post and then the last sentence in your post. You answered your own question and proved my point in one swell foop...!

Good night, guys. Let see some interesting posts by morning, OK?

Thanks,

Dave

 

Fine, but that's the one I named.

You said there were several posters at CollegeHints who are pursuing doctorates from accredited schools. Can't you name any? "Several" would be preferred.

 

Oh, okay. So you make a sweeping statement of fact, get called on it, revise your statement to turn it into an opinion when I suggested that's what it really was, and then decry the time spent? Why bother posting in the first place?

So you don't have examples of your claim? I didn't think so, but it's nice to see you acknowledge your mis-statement. Unfortunately, it now no longer qualifies as "opinion." You see, you said it, then couldn't back it up. That makes it not an "opinion." It makes it unfactual. You know, something that isn't true. Your self-refutation was short and complete. Again, why bother?

Speaking of interesting posts, I'll look forward to one that's true.

(It's situations like this one where I get accused of being argumentative. But it comes from people who post wholly unsubstantiated statements about unaccredited DL schools, back off, then beg away. If Dave had provided some support for his statement I'd have thanked him.)

 

Here you go, Dave Wagner. Let's see if I can give you an example you can point at?

Back in 1998 before ordering the 12th edition of Bear's Guide, I knew very little about accreditation and at that time I assumed that all unaccredited schools were degree mills. Now when I see a new unaccredited school that I've never heard of before, I think that it is probably a degree mill. The reason I tend to lean very strongly in that direction is that it seems very rare that they turn out to be real schools instead of degree mills.

Burlap University is a degree mill.

 

Rich definately got this right. You make an unsupportable generalization and then can't be bothered to support it. Next time just forget the original post instead.

 

Who are you referring to?

 

Hi. Thanks for your thoughts. Note the spelling of "definitely"...

Actually, I expressed an opinion that I hoped would encourage those with expertise to begin sharing some of it. Instead, they continue with accounts of some adolescent debate on another discussion board, attempts to draw others to bully and introspective comments about why some have mysteriously accused them of being argumentative.

Thanks,

Dave

 

Interesting Dave

First you tell us you can't be bother to support your statement, then you proceed to waste time correcting another's spelling. Let's bring this back to your original statement:

"However, my original point was that unaccredited schools are frequently attacked on this board without facts by some of the "experts" seemingly just because the schools are unaccredited."

If you are still unable to provide even one accurate example then it is clear your statement is untrue. This time please keep your response direct. Thanks.

 

When I found this board a while ago, I knew a bit about DL but could have been swayed either way. I was in the CCU program and open minded. I am just very happy that I found this forum before finding Collegehints.com or else I may have ended up with a K-W or SRU degree.

Thanks everyone.

 

Hi. It means that my statement was an opinion...

Thanks,

Dave

 

Dennis Ruhl wrote:

> Why not - he got banned here.

Bruce wrote:

> Who are you referring to?

 

No, you made an unsupported statement of fact, then tried to dress it up as opinion, then whined when it was refuted, complaining as you went. The only reason these things seem argumentative is that you create an argument, then complain about being in it. As Dave said, you should have just skipped the original post. But once you posted it, you have to expect people to respond. That you cannot support it is your problem. That you cannot handle others pointing out that fact is your problem, too.

 

I don't know about you all, but all of this back and forth about every little thing is getting old.

 

Hi. Go back and read it. It was an opinion, which the "experts" continue to prove true with their posting behavior while they attempt to refute it. It is interesting to watch...

Best wishes,

Dave

 

Your statement from the post above:

"However, my original point was that unaccredited schools are frequently attacked on this board without facts by some of the "experts" seemingly just because the schools are unaccredited."

No opinion stated. No qualifiers like "In my opinion." I asked you to back it up. You could not. You cannot. It isn't true.

Opinions and untruths are different. You don't get to put out an untruth by calling it an opinion. An opinion isn't an unsubstantiated fact; it's a person's point of view based on the observed facts. It's one's judgment. You were asked to back up your statement with the facts that led you to that conclusion. You couldn't. So you turned it into an "opinion" and whined when others refuted it.

If I'm wrong about any of this I'll be glad to apologize. Funny how people who complain about "bullying" don't seem to have that capacity.

 

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"Please forgive me, but I can't figure out whom is allegedly attacking who in your message. However, my original point was that unaccredited schools are frequently attacked on this board without facts by some of the "experts" seemingly just because the schools are unaccredited. That doesn't necessarily make the opinions any less "expert" but it does make one stop to think about what research and scholarship really is with respect to distance learning. Comments about the "bottom feeders" of distance learning should be substantive in nature. Still, other experts are careful what they say and make fun of, and when they do criticize a school, they offer some factual justification. Many of us owe a great debt to the latter experts and their thought leadership in distance learning, but have been endlessly amused by the former... My view is that the utility of an unaccredited degree depends on the school in question, especially with respect to skill attainment, but that's just my opinion, not an attack."

 

Hi Dave, saying something is an opinion does not mean that it is really an opinion. For example, my opinion is that 1 + 1 = 3. I believe that it applies in your above post. Also, it seems clear (to me at least) that you were tagging your belief in the utility of unaccredited degrees as your opinion not the more inflamatory portion of your post.

Since you claim that it happens frequently, you were asked to produce one example. etc. etc.

One reason that this is such an important issue is because we all want to know who will get their post count reset to zero on this forum and have to start back at "new member" status.

 

It was a paragraph; that's how paragraphs work.

Dave

 

Originally posted by D.D. (hc) at http://www.collegehints.com/boards/...p=3508#post3508
Hardly friends of mine, and some of my posts at the other channel were mocked by Papa Bear just before I was banned and not allowed to rebut his Popeship.


You know, if John had all of the power ascribed to him, he probably could be the pope.




And if all of the people who supposedly had been banned here had actually been banned here, they could form their own club, perhaps have a convention.





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