DEAC Accredited PhDs?

It was implied that they weren't being published in recognized journals which is why I say the works are being dismissed in the fields they're targeting. Just like their CMI affiliation, they're trying to find shortcuts to legitimacy not realizing that these attempts only work to further delegitimize them.

 

Although I can't say I'm crazy about the idea of a DEAC PhD, it's less about it being from the DEAC and more about the issue of dearth with regard to research quality. I have the same question marks with some RA PhD's or any by distance.

That being said, the DEAC has certainly improved quite a bit over the years and definitely in the last few years the organization no longer appears to be playing any games with current or prospective schools, especially under the new leadership.

I'll wait and see how they go about this pilot before I write it off.

 

https://img1.etsystatic.com/112/0/8800859/il_214x170.1008769143_nmvl.jpg

 

Yes. Still teaching folks to draw. The course used to be $300. It's $3,485 now. From the Wiki, "When the company received "Draw me" submissions, these were turned over to salesmen who drove from one town to another, often arriving at a home unannounced and launching into a sales pitch."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_Instruction_Schools

J.

 

It's actually $4,285 now:

https://artinstructionschools.edu/Tuition

 

Holy Tonawanda! $4, 285? Wanna draw that squirrel? You can learn for free! 4 Easy Ways to Draw a Squirrel (with Pictures) - wikiHow :smile: Or here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcgW2c7om0w

J.

Just kidding. I know they teach a lot more than that for $4K! :smile:

 

Another thing I noticed from the School's Wiki:

"Accredited by the Distance Education and Training Council, the course is worth up to 24 college credits, according to school marketing director Steve Unverzagt..."

Anyone out there who included this course in their degree plan? :smile:

J.

 

I knew a guy in high school who took a correspondence art course. I assume it was this one but I cannot be sure. He dropped our sophomore year to attend "art school." And he did, all without ever having to set foot inside a classroom (sorry, PCDI).

He did eventually go on to become a full time graphic designer. But he also got an associates degree from a community college in South Carolina.

Some of these courses made a lot more sense before Youtube.

 

Geez.

No diploma, no degree either. I don't know about that one Chief. I think I'd look for a cheaper option.

 

Well, you DO get a diploma - but as you say, no degree. There's a copy on the site. And yes, there are certainly cheaper options.

I think Neuhaus said it best: "Some of these courses made a lot more sense before YouTube."

J.

P.S. 1914, The Art Instruction School says? Yes, it has been going a long time, but here are 67 universities that are 500 years old or more: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_medieval_universities

 

They mention that the course is ACE recommended. I haven't checked the ACE website to verify dates.

But 24 credits would come out to $178/credit (ish). If all 24 credits are legitimately ACE recommended that makes for not a terrible way to grab 24 credits for the Big 3.

Not saying it's the best option or even a good option. But if you are an artist and want a degree from one of the Big 3 it's potentially an option.

 

ACE listing for Art Instruction School is here: ACE CREDIT | The National Guide to College Credit for Workforce Training

Yes, it says 24 total credits (lower level) for one course in several parts. Four more credits (upper level) for Specialized Art. If I read it right, both courses add up to 3 years, total of 2400 hours. Date ranges given are 1990s to 2015.

More credits than YouTube. Costs more, too. Job prospects? I have zero idea.

J.

 

Their video says you get a "certificate of completion":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xtx_qDwYGPA

And this page, too:

https://artinstructionschools.edu/The_Program/Curriculum

I've always heard of a Diploma coming from a 2-year course of study:

Certificate vs. Diploma vs. Degree: What

Although I've noticed that the line between diploma and certificate varies depending on the school. I hear NYU now offers diplomas (and they're written as "Diploma") for 1 semester programs and they actually carry no credits at all, while their old certificate programs could last for a longer period of study and carry credits.

The whole thing can get confusing if you really care about the designation. I just think it's easier to call it whatever the school calls it, so in the case of Art Instruction Schools it's a certificate of completion, not a diploma.

 

I suppose so. I guess my carelessness indicates -- well, that I don't care all that much. :smile: Here in Canada, I received a Diploma for a two-year Community College course - only a couple of provinces are into Associate Degrees. I have also received Diplomas (says so right on 'em) from career schools etc. for courses that were self-paced, to a maximum of one year or two, depending. I've also had the certificate experience from both university and colleges for programs that were mostly around two or three years of night school, one or two nights a week.

Part-timers can earn certificates, diplomas and/or degrees from the local uni, depending on the subject and how much work is involved.

You're right - can't argue about Art Instruction School. Their award is a certificate, as you say.

J.

 

This is one of those distinctions without a difference sort of situations. NYU offers non-credit diplomas. Cornell offers non-credit certificates. Some school offer non-credit mini-MBAs. Because they are non-credit they all serve the same general purposes:

1. They don't replace degrees
2. They supplement degrees rather nicely
3. If you don't have a degree it's probably better than having no education post high school but someone with a bachelor's, or even an associate's, will likely have an edge on you in the market.

It's expensive. But not terribly expensive if your desire is to flip it over to the Big 3. Is it good? It's probably decent. And it probably was much more useful, as I said, before youtube gave away the same sort of thing for free.

Incidentally, I decided to take another PennFoster course (I have completed three and I kind of want to finish five to get recognized as a lifelong learner and get free courses in the future). I went with the furniture and cabinet making course. It's fun. It's helpful. It would have been much harder without youtube to fall back on. But the only thing it really offers me besides some starter tools is the fact that someone is grading my work. Even then, though, that's only 3 of my 22 assignments. I think these courses are fun. But I also feel like they are going to need to find some new ways to stay current in order to survive. The video included in my course is actually just a link to a YouTube video of Frank Klausz finishing a dresser. Thanks, PF, but I can get to that on my own.

I imagine that AIS is somewhat in the same boat. I hope that the self paced non-degree programs continue to thrive. PF seems to be keeping it alive by including partnerships such as their CVS/Walgreens externship for their pharm tech program.

FWIW if Ashworth starts up a PHD program using their current format and pricing schedule I'm going to try it while it lasts.

 

It would be funny if Ashworth gained credibility as a worthy alternative to the Extraordinary Popular Delusions of the established academy.

 

Colleges and Universities around here (Canada) offer plenty of both that do carry academic credit. Diplomas carry more than certificates, generally. The 2-year college diploma I mentioned was 76 credits, IIRC - and good for "time served" - 2 years in selected programs at certain universities - somewhat less at others. One of my college certificates was a year's full-time study (3 4-month semesters) and about 45 credits, I think. I have a couple more that were part-time and less credit - about 18-24 units. The two University certificates I have (Business and Writing) carried 9 and 15 credits respectively - only about 1.5 per course. AFAIK, these credits were only usable at the school where they were earned. I checked Athabasca, the well-known DL school. They offer many certificate programs at around 30 credits - diplomas at 60 credits.

Those private (career school) "diplomas" I have? HAH! Not a single academic credit in the whole stack of them -and I do have a stack. :smile: No matter. Depending on the effort, one can make a very good learning experience out of them. I'm pleased to say I did - I worked at digging the most I could out of them -- and at a few hundred dollars apiece, I think I got my money's worth. And they look fine on the "I love me" wall, too. :smile:

@Neuhaus: I think this is more like "a distinction with some difference - but not all that much."

J.

 

I'd like to see Nations take part in the Ph.D. pilot program. For no other reason than to see what Dr. Steve Levicoff would post! That would be a classic. I know how much he loves that school. :smile:

J.

"Let me begin, see where this could go. I’ve got knowledge and know how, Don’t stop the show now, Don’t stop the flow." :smile:

 

No no..Art Instruction Schools..that is the one I wanna see start one..then Steve will really let the fur fly..LOL Actually, I would like to see one start a PhD in Military Sciences or History.