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No it doesn't.

The site lists American accreditation by AAHEA - which is completely unrecognized by DoE or CHEA. We've had other threads on this "accredtitor."

Also, we were informed by @tadj some time ago that the DBA is not a recognized in the Polish system, ergo Polish Universities are not allowed to award it.

We had a thread a while back, on University of Dąbrowa Górnicza, which was co-awarding DBA's with some Swiss Cantonal outfit (i.e. unaccredited.) That's a good school.I think they should have known better - but the Authorities put a stop to it.

A recognized DBA for $2,5K -- that could be completed in as little as six months? You trippin' Jack!

 

Before any forum discussion, I think that it might help to lay out the full information.

This is the international website of the Czech branch of the Polish college.

https://www.fves.eu/en/

This is the website for their DBA program that's offered on an international basis.

https://www.study-dba.eu/

You probably don't need the German intermediary in this context.

The official Polish website is this: https://akademiajagiellonska.pl/

This is an accredited non-research university in Poland: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jagiellonian_College

They are listed by WHED under 'Jagiellonian College'. The Polish name of the school hasn't been updated by WHED. It's now called Akademia Jagiellońska w Toruniu.
https://whed.net/results_institutions.php

AAHEA is only a part of the claimed accreditations. They are a fully accredited college in Poland. They also have full degree-granting rights in the Czech Republic. It's the status of the DBA that we will probably discuss here.

 

In the Czech Republic, the school is registered as an accredited foreign college (click on category 4 on the website: "foreign universities")

https://www.msmt.cz/vzdelavani/vysoke-skolstvi/prehled-vysokych-skol-v-cr-3

Their Czech branch name: Fakulta veřejnosprávních a ekonomických studií v Uherském Hradišti, Vysoká škola Jagiellońská v Toruni, s.r.o.

 

You can translate this Czech page in Google to learn more about the international operations of this Polish college;

https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fakulta_ve%C5%99ejnospr%C3%A1vn%C3%ADch_a_ekonomick%C3%BDch_studi%C3%AD_v_Uhersk%C3%A9m_Hradi%C5%A1ti,_Vysok%C3%A1_%C5%A1kola_Jagiellonsk%C3%A1_v_Toruni

 

Hello!

Checked these guys out... In short, it would be like a propio, and I remember they said to on their page. So, kurwa...

Best regards,
Mac Juli

 

The extra AAHEA accreditation may be a deal breaker for some people who know about its checkered history. But it's fair to keep in mind that accredited colleges in the Czech Republic have likewise obtained extra program accreditation through AAHEA. It doesn't mean that they have ceased to be accredited colleges in Czechia. For example, this is an accredited Czech Republic college with AAHEA accreditation for its professional MBA programs; https://akademie-huspol.cz/en/mba-en/

Of course, Universidad Azteca has also obtained AAHEA accreditation in the past: "The MBA & DBA programmes of Universidad Azteca are accredited by AAHEA." (Source: https://www.universidadazteca.net/welcome/enter)

 

https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_of_Business_Administration
https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Studia_podyplomowe

Read this stuff with the help of a translation to get a sense of what the Polish DBA represents, as the Czech branch DBA (Czechs are apparently allowed to use the word
degree to describe it) is patterned after it.

 

I think those who know AAHEA's history might agree that becoming AAHEA accredited is no kind of academic distinction. I'm not surprised that Azteca bought in -- but a genuine school with decent accreditation in its own country? well, as long as they didn't exchange their nation's accreditation for AAHEA...

Coincidence? A German poster PM'd me yesterday. He'd been looking for a fast, inexpensive DBA and I referred him to this list of 29 American programs -- all RA or NA. https://www.business-management-degree.net/fastest-online-doctorate-business-management/

He replied that not ONE of the 29 schools was acceptable in Germany - RA or anything else not withstanding. (There are some big names on the list - Temple, Liberty...)

Yet he refers me to this Jagiellonian College thing this a.m. saying it's H+ on Anabin (all degrees acceptable to Germany). I think he's referring to the original Polish school.

I repeat again --- and again -- if it looks too good to be true - it ISN'T. A recognized DBA in as little as six months ( as my correspondent said) for 2.5K? ENEB couldn't pull that off, with six Groupons per deal.

Also, @Mac Juli said that this is "like a propio" and that was explained "on their page." Propios are unapproved degrees but may legally be taught. Few countries have such laws. Suggest a careful reading here, IF you're still interested.

 

I think it's fair to keep in mind that any programmatic accreditation from AAHEA is likely as meaningful as their institutional accreditation.

 

I know the Polish college. I would still want to find out more about their degree-granting operations in other countries esp. the Czech Republic. I've been on a trip to Toruń when I came back from Canada after many years. It was before the pandemic hit. I really loved this city. It was absolutely charming.

https://whc.unesco.org/en/list/835/.

It's the birth place of Copernicus, or as he is known around here - Mikołaj Kopernik.

I will say that I like this disclaimer on the Czech branch website:

DBA - "This title can only be used after the name." That's how it is used in Poland. You definitely don't go around calling yourself a Doctor after finishing postgraduate DBA studies. It's a business qualification in this country.

 

Great question! I've always hoped the same for the Spanish-language programs too. While I studied Spanish for years, it would be much easier to conduct postgraduate work in English!

The German intermediary only seems to offer business degrees, but the international/Czech site that tadj has shared here also seem to offer law degrees (at the Bachelor, Master, and Doctoral levels).

Curiously, they also offer a 150-hour TESOL certificate course. Not to knock them, but I do wonder how employers would look at a TESOL certificate from a Czech branch of a Polish university's Faculty of Administration and Economic Studies.

And in addition to the aforementioned DBA, there's also an open-ended D.Phil. program: https://www.study-philology.eu/ While this web address mentions 'philology', the site itself speaks of "managerial study" and "business administration". Concerningly, it only requires a 40-page thesis.

 

There are obviously a number of concerns such as who is issuing the diploma and how and where it is recognized. This reminds me of the ENEB/Isabella issue that was clear then muddy and finally after a lot of threads became clear as Proprio and what that really meant.

But the other thing is the name of this college. At first I was very impressed as Jagiellonian University is a famous and prestigious name that I have seen reading histories and so on. But then I looked and it isn't the famous one founded centuries ago. Instead it is a private college founded in 2003. Hmmm.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jagiellonian_University

vs

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jagiellonian_College

I was wondering how THE Jagiellonian could get hooked up with AAHEA. Well of course, because it isn't the Jagiellonian.

And someone Googling a DBA from Jagiellonian and coming up with THE Jagiellonian and being impressed is a happy bonus for the holder of the AAHE accredited Jagiellonian College DBA.

 

Copernicus and John Paul II won't be happy about the um imitation Jagiellonian. It would be somewhat like someone setting up a small private Oxford College in the UK and getting it accredited by ACI and off they go. Then someone could say they have an DBA from Oxford with a UK address (but not THE Oxford, no the one founded in 2012 and accredited by ACI).

Perhaps this small Jagiellonian that still has wet paint smell and the similar name to the one founded in the 1300's has good degree granting authority. But it comes across as confusing.

 

Dang! This place has more red flags than Pyongyang, N. Korea on Apr. 15th * How may red flags does it take before people say NO! ???

* Kim Il Sung's birthday --- founder of N. Korea and ruler, 1948 till his death in 1994. Big annual parade.

 

I'm ready to file this school away with the one owned by the banned-extremist-unindicted-bombing- conspirator and the DBA school pretending to be both Spanish and Mexican but domiciled in Florida. How about everyone else?

 

I was about ready to sign up for the DBA thinking it would be a DBA from THE Jagiellonian. Buyer beware.

 

Reminds the short lived expensive international entity KNU-OU that claimed award of Taras Shevchenko National University of Kyiv degrees
Taras Shevchenko National University of Kyiv is well regarded and recognized in all the world.
The intentional entity KNU-OU (online Faculty as a subsidiary) wasn't awarding fully accredited Ukrainian degrees but a private propio type degree if any were awarded at all.

 

Oh, wait not that Harvard. Harvard College on 5th avenue in between the Taco Shop and Laundromat.