Colorado Supreme Court bars Trump from the ballot

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  1. Suss

    Suss Active Member

    Posts have been critical of the GOP because it is no longer a party that serves the interests of free Americans, and has become a danger to us as well as the rest of the world.

    It is a party under the cultic spell of a single individual, one who has done more to damage our democracy and international reputation than any other single individual or group. And under that cultic influence, the GOP has been impotent and fearful when it comes to reining in that individual.

    The last time a Western nation saw anything like this was in the 1920s-1930s, when the H-Man put Germans under his spell. It resulted then in a war that spread around the world, killing 55 million to 75 million civilians and military personnel.
     
  2. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    That's a decent description of Orbán as well, and he's risen to power in Hungary in the present, not the distant past. These are populist times.
     
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  3. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Gross exaggeration.

    I think there is more then just criticism of GOP.
    The front runner, even if not my choice is compared to H Man is preposterous.
    Or wished to be hit by lightning.
    This very radical left.

    I will wait on court ruling.
    I think he is dealing with many legal issues and should resign from the presidential race.
     
  4. Suss

    Suss Active Member

    I absolutely agree with this, as applies to DJT.
     
  5. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    No. Not "balanced." You have to consider the veracity of the sources and the weight of supporting evidence. There is no "balance." There's just angry speculation designed to slur people.
     
  6. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Depends on posts, some that are comparing former president to H man, or that lightning should strike him are extreme.
    I do understand the critique and will try to filter the content better.
     
  7. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    I agree, actually, but Trump's a grifter who's dragging the entire country down by appealing to its dumbest 30%. The frustration of those who see him for what he is is understandable.
     
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  8. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Actually it seems he’s a rapist as well according to the court following a full and fair trial.
     
  9. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Well, sort of. Sexual predator, not rapist. And the standard of proof was lower than beyond a reasonable doubt, although I don't remember offhand whether it was clear and convincing evidence or just preponderance. Probably the former, given the stakes?

    For whatever that's worth, since he could rape someone on 5th Avenue and his base would still support him.
     
  10. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    No. Actual rape.
     
  11. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    It was ruled by the courts that while it was not found that Trump committed rape against E Jean Carrol from the criminal statute defining rape point of view. A judge did rule that what was found by the jury that he did in fact do against E. Jean Carrol fits the generally accepted definition of rape.

    IIRC, this happened when E. Jean Carrol called it rape in a talk show and Trump filed a defamation lawsuit against her which was thrown out in court by the judge.
     
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  12. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    The second defamation trial (Trump as defendant) is now underway. It deals with a different set of comments Trump made in 2019, which have already been ruled defamatory. Sole purpose -- to quantify the damages Trump will have to pay. Ms. Carroll's legal team is seeking a further $10 million.

    In the first trial, E. Jean Carroll was awarded $5 million in damages. Looks like Trump won't be going to jail for what he did -- but this second aftermath will likely cost him more millions. That's something, anyway. I hope it helps Ms. Carroll find some closure. Sadly, I don't think there is any hope of it being a learning experience for Donald Trump. He's long past that.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-e-jean-carroll-trial-what-to-know/
     
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  13. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    I'll guess that punitive damages dwarf the $10 million being asked for for reputational harm.
     
  14. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    In this case, one can hope so, Bill.
     
  15. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    True. The word "rape" doesn't appear in the Uniform Penal Code.
     
  16. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    OK - they can call it sexual assault or whatever the "book" says - but if he did exactly (or anywhere near) what the complainant says he did, then Trump should pay a huge penalty. And I think dollars are the best punishment, for DJT.

    Why? Because Trump thinks with his wallet - when he isn't thinking with something else entirely inappropriate.
     
  17. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    No. Prison.
     
  18. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    I'd like to see BOTH. Damages AND prison. But...

    From AP News: "Because it is a civil and not criminal case, Trump faces no prison time; Carroll is seeking unspecified monetary damages." i.e. no criminal case - no jail time.

    I can't stand watching Trump's every move, so I'm new to this super-ugly thing. Help me out, @nosborne48. Why is there no criminal case here?
     
  19. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Statute of limitations. Also likely: evidence to support a conviction beyond a reasonable doubt. Much higher standard in criminal court. The rules of evidence (what is admissible) are more strict.
     
  20. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Thanks, Rich. Evil triumphs again, it seems. That sucks. At least he'll have to pay a big tab while staying out of jail.

    Reminds me of Cosby, who finally walked, once State Supreme Court overturned his conviction. But at least he served around 2 1/2 years before being freed. Trump --- not a day, for anything, ....so far. That could change.
     

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