Colleges Can Rescind Degrees!

Question

Does anyone think a college like Thomas Edison State University or Western Governor's university would rescind a degree if you left off a transcript with a miniscule amount of credits?

Some of the examples in this thread are HIGHLY extreme. Just curious.

 

Do you mean you didn't report prior credits from another school?

Most schools want full disclosure of prior academics, but I can't imagine how they would find out if they're not disclosed.

Revoking a degree is an extreme action for extreme circumstances; the only impact I think a missing transcript that suddenly surfaced would be would be a lowered GPA (because who hides good performance?).

 

That's what I thought as well, and per my research so far, it seems highly unlikely to be an issue unless you yourself say something (which, why would someone do that?)

I just wanted to be sure that what I'm seeing in research is, in fact, accurate.

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Harvard/Traitor/Spy.....what is the difference?

 

College rescind degrees are not new. I have heard before here or somewhere else that someone cheated, outsourced or plagiarized their thesis and his/her degree is rescinded and requested to rewrite the thesis.

In my college years, my capstone partner says he "do with his friends" for his portion. Poor me got to take back that portion and rewrite the codes and add in a lot of my stuffs and improvements in. He still proudly go out tell people about this and say having "network" like this is a form of "strength". I guess he don't understand that in future, when you faced competitors in your workplace, they could take what you once proudly said and admitted in college and file a complaint straight to the college, and by then, well done, I did not outsource also being dragged in. Therefore, I got to overwrite despite my already tight schedule. Just an example.

 

My outsider perspective on code is that it is also a bit trickier. The plagiarism lines aren't so neatly drawn. If I'm writing a whole bunch of code and I can't get something to work then maybe I'll jump on Stack Overflow to get some input. If someone gives me some pointers to fix a few lines then, most would agree, that I can take that constructive feedback without ethical fear.

That doesn't exist in a lot of disciplines. If I'm writing a thesis on Chaucer put it on the Internet for critique and then incorporate what others have said about it then the likelihood of that being labeled plagiarism is much higher.

Schools can rescind degrees. They can do it for virtually any reason. But they are also wise to only reserve that power for the most egregious conduct. No school wants a reputation of randomly revoking degrees for minor infractions. That would be a recruitment nightmare.

Lying at admissions can certainly result in a revocation. How would they find out? The most common way would be that something prompts them to check your past enrollmentts in the National Student Clearinghouse. That, however, doesn't include every single RA school and includes none of the NA schools (as far as I am aware). I'd venture that there may be a few community colleges or technical colleges outside of its reach as well.

TESU is also on a slightly different position in that they have, more or less, open enrollment. Having a transcript with a failed class on it likely won't get you wait listed. But that class won't transfer. And transfer is kind of a big deal at TESU. If you're applying to a B&M, that F might be enough to make sure you just aren't getting in period. The difference tends to boil down to intent. In one case it is likely to be seen as an oversight. In another it is intentional concealment with the intention to deceive.

But we can never really know for sure what will trigger a school to rescind a degree.

 

Albeit 6 years ago, this is what she is doing now...

That doesn’t mean, however, that it had to derail her life. After taking down her MySpace profile, Snyder is understandably trying to maintain her privacy: her lawyer told me in a recent interview that she is now working in human resources; she did not respond to a request for comment.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/25/magazine/25privacy-t2.html?pagewanted=all

More on the story...

https://medium.com/@jherlocker/stacy-snyder-and-the-untruth-that-won-t-die-549c2f525661#.741fn1jid

 

I'm kind of surprised that no one addressed this about the "drunken pirate" teacher issue...

Her degree wasn't rescinded. She was denied graduation. She was kicked out of a program she was enrolled in. That's a big difference.

From another article:

I've heard of this happening with people in a lot of programs. Back in PA it seemed to happen most with Physician Assistants (at least those were the ones I heard about).

Degree rescinded = The degree was awarded and rescinded after the fact

Degree denied = In this case, they failed her in a critical area that was a requirement for the program and then, presumably, denied her the opportunity to retake it.

So her transcript never said it was awarded. She never had the diploma in hand.

I've never encountered an employee with a rescinded diploma. I did have a situation with an employee whose school refused to release his transcripts due to a disciplinary infraction. I don't know what he did but the school refused to release his transcripts for three years. He was in his last year of transcript limbo when he came to us for a paid internship where he was upfront about the disciplinary issue and said he needed the internship because he was having a heck of a time getting a job without a transcript/diploma.

When we tried to verify his degree it first came back as "unable to verify." We were about to pull the plug on his application when he made a very straightforward proposal...

"Come with me to the registrar's office."

I had a scheduled on campus recruitment event anyway so I went. Had I walked in (with his written consent) they would have still told me "unable to verify." With him there they could be a bit more open about what was going on. At one point he said

"But I graduated, did I not?" and the registrar replied in the affirmative. Good enough for me. He rode out his last year with us. We gave him a full time job afterward and he bounced some time later.

Universities can do whatever they want. Pre-graduation you are especially screwed. Your options seem to be completing another program there (if they let you) or bouncing to another school and dealing with transfer issues. That's no big deal if you got kicked out of a no-name school. But settling for a TESU degree when you completed all four years at Syracuse University, Cornell, Columbia or NYU....that would sting.

 

Lying at admission, says using fake degrees to admit into postgrad degrees is equal to using degree mill for job application. Using paper your professor wrote or ask you to proofread and then just put your name in is roughly the same also. Intentional misrepresent contributors name in paper is also not ethically correct.

In a single essay, i remembered is you cannot have more than says 30% plagiarised and not giving any credits or citations. Wrong way of citing is better than none. They use turnitin software and thats what I took it in my technical writing course. Outsourcing, on the other hand, is very serious.

For coding plagiarism, you are right, quite difficult. But i usually put the reference code link as a comment in my source codes.