Cleveland Insitute of Electronics lost DETC accreditation

It is legal to use an unaccredited degree in Oregon, as long as one of three conditions are met:

(1) The unaccredited degree is advertised with a legal disclaimer attached; or
(2) The unaccredited degree qualifies under Oregon's religious exemption; or
(3) The unaccredited degree has received approval from the Oregon Office of Degree Authorization.

It's true that Oregon is often considered to have the toughest diploma mill laws in the US. But at the same time, the State of Oregon clearly believes that some unaccredited schools are legitimate, because they can and do approve the operation of such schools.

Examples of unaccredited degree-granting schools that operate quite legally in Oregon include the Process Work Institute and Maitripa College. Note that neither of these schools are operating under Oregon's religious exemption; they have specifically sought and obtained state approval to operate as unaccredited institutions.

So the State of Oregon believes that some (admittedly not all) unaccredited degrees have value, and allows them to be used without the disclaimer or other limitations.

 

I need advise i'm currently enrolled at CIE/WC 1/2 way through their CIS degree program. Since CIE/WC lost their DETC accreditation should i be concern about obtaining a degree from them?

 

If you enrolled and began study during the time CIE was still accredited, your degree will still be considered accredited.

 

Loss of accreditation?

Are you sure about that? Losing accreditation in the law school world usually means that anyone who graduates after the loss gets an unaccredited degree. That's why the California Bar moved so quickly to list Western State and LaVerne as CBE accredited when each lost its provisional ABA approval. Both schools got ABA approval back before it mattered but the worry was that the students might graduate and not be able to take the bar exam anywhere.

So yes, I would be concerned.

 

This is very disappointing news I would have never enrolled at a non-accredited school. I may have to take legal actions & demand a refund.

 

Well, don't take my word for it. I am no expert but some posters here are so perhaps they will advise you.

 

I'm 100% sure.

Law schools are a different animal and can't be compared to this.

 

Don't waste your time, or money. Your case will have no merit. There is no warranty from school to student on the duration of accreditation, and until accreditation has been revoked or left to expire it's still valid and in force.

Your real worry is how the world outside of CIE will view your degree once they know the school lost its accreditation. It won't matter to some that you studied during its accredited period, all they will look at is that the school lost accreditation. It's unfair, but that's the way she goes...

 

Not necessarily. Schools that lose accreditation are typically supposed to provide a "Teach-Out Plan" to their accreditors, which describes how they will deal with their current students. For example, DETC's policies on Teach-Out Plans are shown here. There are two common approaches to teaching-out:

(1) The accreditor can temporarily extend a school's accreditation, but only long enough to give current students a chance to finish. In this case, students who enrolled before the loss of accreditation can still graduate with accredited degrees. But any new students who enroll after that time get unaccredited degrees.

(2) Alternatively, the school losing accreditation can make an arrangement to transfer its current students to a different accredited school.

Unfortunately, there is no way to guarantee that schools will provide an acceptable Teach-Out Plan for either (1) or (2). In that case, current students may have a problem. The DETC Teach-Out Policy puts it like this:

So students who were enrolled at CIE when it lost accreditation may or may not be able to still earn accredited degrees. It depends on whether or not CIE provided an acceptable Teach-Out Plan to DETC. I would check directly with DETC on this point.

 

thanks CalDog any information you or anyone find I'll greatly appreciate

 

There is another thread on this. Our long-time, knowledgeable poster, Lerner, checked with Grantham - they accept WC credits - C or better, course content has to match. So, maybe it's possible for a WC student to finish a degree there. :smile:

Thread is here: http://www.degreeinfo.com/general-distance-learning-discussions/48190-cleveland-institute-electronics-under-show-cause-status-detc-3.html

Johann

 

Maybe CNUAS will accept your CIE credits.
Cnuas.edu/

 

I was under the impression that CIE was providing a teach-out. If not, then yes, this would change some things unfortunately.

 

All my research claims that the degree is worthless if completed after the loss of accreditation. This sucks because I was ramping myself up to return in December after taking a year and a half off.

The credits you earn under an unaccredited school are worthless.
Nobody will accept them and a degree earned from the school after it loses accreditation is worthless.
PERIOD.
You might as well be getting a certification from "Joe Schmoe's Repair School".
The jobs it will get you will be crude, blue collar labor paying you in raisins and stale bread.

Credits earned while the school was still accredited will potentially transfer to another school.

CIE's biggest problem is the materials are just so outdated.
They are REALLY thorough and while some lessons are a disaster due to that specific author and some of the ancient diagrams, overall most are very good and written surprisingly by a lot of prestigious professors and engineers from pinnacle schools.

Unfortunately when you're looking at black and white sketches from the 50's and then you turn on youtube and see 3-D animations?
There were portions of lessons I spent 5 days on that were explained more appropriately in 15 minutes by a youtube video or webpage.
On the other hand when I see some videos from engineers and nuclear physicists who've gone to the best schools in the world, their videos or webpages are nearly identical to the CIE materials.
Thorough, precise and matching the elite.

I went to check accreditation 20 minutes ago, saw that it vanished and checked the DETC. How did they screw that up! 80 years in business and now?
Most colleges go under when they lose accreditation but, I think they were their own worst enemy by being so outdated. It's 2014 and you're still using diagrams from 50 years ago?
If they're software engineers, electronic engineers, radio etc. shouldn't they have the skills to make a few hundred simple flash animations to provide on DVD and a youtube channel?

Another huge complaint was the order of lessons where you cover unregulated power supplies then several lessons later, many several, time for regulated power supplies.
I felt it would have been far more productive to get us through semiconductors, tubes, transistors, op amps, oscillators, radios THEN all the way through power supplies and onto power amplifiers.

Ultimately for all of my complaints and praises, this really screws me over.
I was willing to bit the bullet and do 6 months on, 2-3 months off until I had my degree.
Unless I see they regain accreditation, I won't waste my time and money enrolling again.
This also means trying to go to a brick and mortar community college or university which I've looked into. Between travel costs, books and credit hours, $25-30K a year.

Why did they let this happen.....

 

#9, Dharma Realm was recently accredited by WASC and along with its peacocks is now happily RA.

https://www.wscuc.org/institutions/dharma-realm-buddhist-university

 

And #12 on the List, University of Philosophical Research, is now, not-so-happily, on the Show Cause list at DEAC.

 

And what is ACCSC?

 

Much like ASPCA: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accrediting_Commission_of_Career_Schools_and_Colleges

Not really like ASPCA as its mission is apart from higher(?) education.

 

ACCSC is a US DoE-recognized National Accreditor. It's here: http://www.accsc.org/ It does not have CHEA recognition. The only CHEA-recognized National Accreditors for career schools are DEAC and ACICS. ACCSC can accredit schools that teach up to the Master's degree level. ACCET is another US DoE-recognized National Accreditor. However , it may only accredit schools teaching up to occupational Associate Degree level. ACCET is here: https://accet.org/accreditation

ACCSC and (to a lesser extent) ACCET were expected to eat quite a few lunches - picking up members while ACICS was perceived to be going down for the count. However, it seems Betsy DeVos has granted that agency a stay of execution - I'm not sure for how long.