Christians have no right to wear crosses at work

Discussion in 'Off-Topic Discussions' started by Kizmet, Mar 12, 2012.

  1. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator

  2. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member

    Well, I don't know if the UK has anything like our First Amendment. But it will be interesting to see this one play out.
  3. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    1) The cross is a pagan symbol, not a Christian symbol.

    2) If all similar forms of jewelry are banned, then it is not an issue of discrimination- especially considering that it is not at all a tenant of the Christian faith that followers are required to wear it. If someone's church taught that wearing a cross around your neck was essential for survival, then we might have a more interesting discussion about it. That notwithstanding, there is still the issue of who possesses what rights in this situation.

    3) What precedent would be set if the ruling was the other way around? That everyone has the right to express their religious beliefs in the workplace by displaying whatsoever symbol their church promotes? How long before someone creates the Church of Phallic Day Saints?
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    b4cz28 New Member

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  6. Anthony Pina

    Anthony Pina Active Member

    say what??!!
  7. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    Indeed. Laws always have unintended consequences. The real question is, to the extent that those consequences can be predicted, which result (law or no law) makes people worse off.
  8. eilla05

    eilla05 New Member

    Interesting. I actually don't see the issue here and I am sure my comments will be taken the wrong way but I will say them anyway....I agree with Manic on this one. If they ban all jewelry or at least all jewelry that is considered religious I don't see the issue. I am pretty sure that if the shoe was on another foot of right to show certain symbols said to be religious items that was not christian for example satanism what would the reaction be ? Will be interesting to see how this plays out.
  9. Abner

    Abner Well-Known Member

    Yes, this is indeed an interesting case. What if someone opts to wear the cross upside down?

    Off topic, another debate that interests me in European countries. The question of granting the Great Apes personhood, or at least discussing it.

  10. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    Yes, grant them personhood- then make them pay their fair share of income tax. Did you know that the largest 10% of chimpanzees eat 50% of all the bananas?
  11. Abner

    Abner Well-Known Member

    Did I say grant them personhood?

  12. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator

    Within the Buddhist tradition all creatures are on the path to enlightenment.
  13. If it's a per se ban on all jewelry then I think it would be reasonable. If it singles out religious jewelry I think that is where they would have a problem.
  14. Abner

    Abner Well-Known Member

    This is correct, and something I believe in.

    Please forgive me for any who may have felt that I snapped at them. My inner chi has not been so well lately.

  15. StefanM

    StefanM New Member

    I don't know if it would be that problematic.

    For context, I want to let everyone know that I am a Christian, I currently work for a Christian organization, and both of my degrees are from evangelical Christian institutions. One of the degrees is in Christian ministry. Suffice it to say, I would not be in favor of stamping out Christian faith or expression.

    In this case, however, I tend to err in favor of the employer's rights. An employer could have a perfectly legitimate reason to prevent display of religious symbols in the workplace. The employer, for instance, may not want to offend customers of different faiths or of no faith through the display of religious symbols.

    IMO, the issue boils down to intent. If the employer has a legitimate business interest in prohibiting religious symbols, then I see no problem with the policy, as long as it is equitable and consistent. If the employer is doing it to spite or to intimidate the workers, then it is another matter.
  16. No need for the disclaimer with me.:hug: For me, I think singling out religious jewelry shows at least part of the intent. If an employer didn't want to offend customers it would probably serve him/her better to have a policy that bans everything. If solely religious symbols were not allowed that would still leave open a host of other symbols that customers could be offended by.
  17. SurfDoctor

    SurfDoctor Moderator

    :eek:mfg::eek::banana: :banana::eek::eek:mfg:
  18. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member

    If I understood you correctly, you did say that we should at least discuss giving personhood to the great apes.
  19. okydd

    okydd New Member

    "I almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most fatal example of the abuses of grief which the history of mankind has preserved - the Cross. Consider what calamities that engine of grief has produced!" John Adams.

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