Charged with plagiarism

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  1. Randell1234

    Randell1234 Moderator

    You can transfer the classes you already completed - thay can not take that away. If you only have 6 classes left it might be easier to just stay with them. I would certainly not get a BS from them or anything else. I would explore other options just incase you do not like the outcome of this "event". Charter Oak, Excelsior, and Thomas Edison allow for the transfer of all the credits you have (probably) and you could finish an AA much cheaper.

    Look at your local community college. You can earn an AA from a Florida community college (for example) for only $100 or so per credit.

    Finally, as far as your recent event, stuff happens. Do not beat yourself up over it; just learn from it. Best of luck to you.
     
  2. graymatter

    graymatter Member

    I have probably reported 100 acts of plagiarism with UOP. What happens IN THAT COURSE will almost always be left up to the faculty member (unless you are able to show that you didn't plagiarize). Faculty are advised (at least I was) to simply deduct points or issue a zero for the assignment. Faculty members are not allowed to give you an automatic F in the course.

    If it is your first violation with UOP, they will likely put you on "probation" and require that you take a 3 day workshop on Academic Integrity before enrolling in future classes.

    In the end, don't sweat it. And don't do it again. Its WAY too easy to catch you.
     
  3. graymatter

    graymatter Member

    I thought that I posted a response to this but I don't see it so I'll repost...

    I understand that you're commenting NOT on the quality of the UOP program but on the PERSPECTIVE of employers. However, as one who has facilitated courses for 5 different universities (several mentioned in this thread as better alternatives), I will note that I find UOP to be of HIGHER quality than the others.

     
  4. Randell1234

    Randell1234 Moderator

    I have always weighted in on my feelings during these cases.
     
  5. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator

    As a UoP instructor, the most blatant case of academic dishonesty I reported (someone had another person doing their work....the shadow writer got bagged by her employer's E-Blaster-equipped work computers) resulted in an "F" for the course, mandated completion of an online workshop on academic integrity, and a period of probation.

    I would also agree with graymatter....general reputation aside, UoP is no joke academically; you're going to work for your credits/degree.
     
  6. TEKMAN

    TEKMAN Semper Fi!

    Wow! I did not treat UoP's degrees to the bottom pool. I said that based on my experiences in encounter hiring hiring Managers. Of course, UoP's degrees are not that bad compares to mostly NA's accredited degrees. But I totally agree with you that the school has better reputation, does not mean all the classes are superb. Take a look at Georgetown University, one of the class I would rate as "F" because the instructor does not know how to present the materials. Where some classes are Troy University I would rate "A+."
     
  7. StefanM

    StefanM New Member

    My issues with UOP have never been academic in nature. I think their major problem has been in recruiting. They are getting better with the new student orientation class and other new policies, but when I worked there the problems came because of enrollment. If you could fog a mirror, you were in. Many of them flamed out.

    I do think, however, that UOP online is a better academic experience than UOP on-campus in many cases. With online classes, you are not limited to a region's demographics. In my area, educational quality from the high school is very bad, and instructors have classes full of underprepared students who graduated from the area's failing schools. This is multiplied with team-based assignments.

    I took a few classes from UOP online, and with the exception of one class, I thought the classes were all appropriately rigorous and engaging. Teams were painful, but that was mostly due to logistical issues of cooperation by distance. You would have had to put a gun to my head for me to take classes on campus.
     
  8. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator

    I despise learning teams....the #1 source of complaints from students, almost always justified. I have absolutely no problem with dropping the hammer on a team member that does nothing, while the other team members get "A's" for outstanding work.

    For some reason, the lazy asses are always surprised that they couldn't ride the coattails of their team.
     
  9. ryoder

    ryoder New Member

    Interesting. So the shadow writer was doing the work while at the office and the work was captured with keystroke capture software and reported by the company's IT team to the college?
    Is that how it happened?

     
  10. Jeff Walker

    Jeff Walker New Member

    One of the better typos/auto-corrections I've seen in a while.
     
  11. StefanM

    StefanM New Member

    Teams can be great if you get a good team. For a business law class I took at LU, we had to do legal analysis for a start-up company, and the team worked wonderfully together.

    They can also be very poor. I took a business finance class at LU, and we had some team assignments. Unfortunately, only one other student and I actually knew what we were doing. Two students had no clue what they were doing, so we often had to correct their errors and/or completely disregard their work as it was completely incorrect. Sometimes they didn't turn in any work at all. When we did not include their work, we explained why we were doing what we did.

    The students who weren't pulling their weight claimed that we were being sexist. Why? They both happened to be women, and I and the other student were both men. We were swiftly exonerated, and the instructor came down firmly on our side, as he could see the online discussions. Gender never entered the discussion. It was always about accuracy in financial calculations and analysis. We even threw out some of the work from the other men in the group, but their errors were usually minor and easily corrected.

    For an accounting class I took at UOP, one group member tried to pass off a plagiarized section as his own. Fortunately, I caught it immediately and asked him to resubmit it to the group with revisions. It was better, but I still had to correct some formatting errors and logical errors in the work when I compiled and finalized the assignment. Groups like this were tedious, as I not only had to do the research, but I also had to do the work of revising and correcting assignments of cohorts.
     
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  12. graymatter

    graymatter Member

    Not sure that I understand the "Wow!" as I SPECIFICALLY noted that you were not personally being critical of UOP but where noting the perceptions of others...

    I felt inclined to type that because earlier in this thread it sounded as though other posters were perhaps knocking the education received through UOP. I facilitate 200-level classes there and have found them to be as academically rigorous as other respective programs.

    I would agree with another commenter regarding the recruitment process but I would verbalize these concerns with several programs. I facilitate GRADUATE courses for another (well respected on here) program. The course is one generally scheduled in the last block/semester of courses since there are so many prerequisites. I am amazed at times at the poor grammar, poor writing skills, lack of insight; I often wonder not just how these students have made it through 50+ graduate hours but how they even got into the program to begin with.

     
  13. graymatter

    graymatter Member

    Did you ASSIGN a grade of F or did getting a ZERO on the assignment keep them from passing? I understood early on with UOP (2008) that I was not permitted to assign a grade of F. I've certainly had students who plagiarized the final project (worth 25% of the final grade) get an F for the course - but I didn't assign it, they "earned" it.

    Just curious. Thanks.

     
  14. StefanM

    StefanM New Member

    Absolutely. UOP isn't the only place.

    Even non-profits are often revenue-driven, and student retention is key to sustained revenue.

    Also, reliance on adjunct professors is troubling. Adjunct professors are a crap shoot. Some adjunct professors (like the ones who post on here, who keep up with their fields, etc.) are great. Some do it just for a paycheck. When one doesn't get paid a lot, why devote the extra effort, especially for a side job?
     
  15. Randell1234

    Randell1234 Moderator

    For the love of teaching!!!!
     
  16. Ian Anderson

    Ian Anderson Active Member

    I agree with Randell.
    Going with one of the big three will save you a lot of money - especially since the majority of your credits can be earned at any RA college plus there are challenge tests you can take including CLEP and DSST. For specific low cost courses you can always ask for suggestions here at degreeinfo.com.
     
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  18. graymatter

    graymatter Member

    Agreed! I get feedback ALL THE TIME about being the "best" facilitator that they've ever had. I want to be in full-time clinical practice - I don't want to "give that up" to teach fulltime. So facilitating online courses gives me the opportunity to be involved in both areas without having to work 80 hours a week.

    The money is better than nothing - but I (and most of us) could make more money moonlighting in our respective fields rather than teaching online.

     
  19. StefanM

    StefanM New Member

    And, IMO, those who teach as adjuncts primarily for that purpose are in the minority. They are usually the best teachers, too.
     
  20. bpreachers

    bpreachers New Member

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