Carry on campus?

Discussion in 'Off-Topic Discussions' started by chrisjm18, May 25, 2022.


To carry or not to carry on campus?

Poll closed Jun 4, 2022.
  1. Carry

    4 vote(s)
  2. Not carry

    7 vote(s)
  1. chrisjm18

    chrisjm18 Well-Known Member

    With mass shootings increasing, if you were a faculty/staff at a university that allows you to carry a concealed firearm on campus, would you?
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  2. AsianStew

    AsianStew Moderator Staff Member

    No and the reason is below this sentence, having said that, I would want all campuses with extra security staff (depending on the size of the school and number of students). Most campuses have just one security office and there are multiple buildings, I would recommend at least one office with a few staff in each building.

    The more weapons, the higher the chances of "mistakes" happening. Having a weapon as a whole to protect yourself and others is an option that may have consequences, such as the weapon falling in the hands of the wrong people. You hear stories of kids killing their siblings or parents many times over the recent news.

    Here's an article just today, the second one I read about the incident earlier:
  3. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Of course not. The "hero" scenario almost never works out.

    When you have an active shooter in your workplace, you're supposed to--first and foremost--seek cover and concealment. Under no circumstances are you to confront the shooter, nor give away your position (and others positions, too). Hardly an opportunity to return fire.

    Then there are the myriad scenarios where introducing a gun will make things worse. Interpersonal conflicts, accidents, etc.

    We should be getting at the root cause of the problem: voters who elect officials who not only fail to act on this scourge, but (as we saw in Texas) proactively work to make it worse.
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  4. chrisjm18

    chrisjm18 Well-Known Member


    First: Run
    Second: Hide
    Third: Fight (last resort)
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  5. Dustin

    Dustin Well-Known Member

    In Canada, I had zero interest in having a gun. I never felt unsafe. In the US though, I've been seriously considering getting one for home defense just because police response time is long. Most active shooters are not stopped by civilians but by police ( page 25, of 345 active shooter incidents only 4 - or 1.2% were killed by civilians), even in states like Texas where many people open carry.

    And there's been more than one person who had responded to a shooting being killed by responding police, like John Hurley ( who was a civilian and Jemel Roberson who was an armed security guard (

    As chrisjm18 says, Run, Hide, Fight. I don't need a gun to run or hide so on a college campus I'd probably be just as safe without one.
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  6. chrisjm18

    chrisjm18 Well-Known Member

    I was a police officer three non-consecutive times by I was 26 years old. I graduated from my first police academy at 18+. So, I was introduced to carrying a concealed firearm off-duty at an early age. However, when I left LE in January 2017 for good, I didn't own a firearm for 2 years. From January 2019 until July 2021, I had a concealed firearm while living in Philadelphia. I have never been required to use a firearm either as a police officer or as a civilian. I was contemplating getting one as I plan my relocation to a state where I can carry on campus. However, I read the article, Opinion: Thinking of buying a gun for self-defense? Don’t do it, and decided against getting one for personal protection. I also believe that having a firearm provides a false sense of security. In addition, some people are likely to escalate a situation when they have a firearm because it gives a sense of boldness and "superiority." After yesterday's shooting, I started to consider whether I wanted to get a firearm. However, based on the stats you provided about mass shootings and what I already learned about the self-defense rationale, it seems the "good guy with a gun" scenario is uncommon in self-defense and mass shooter incidents.
  7. Dustin

    Dustin Well-Known Member

    Yes, this gives me pause. I worked in suicide prevention and know how much higher deaths are when there is a gun in the home - suicide or homicide. The likelihood of a home invasion is low, and the possibility of my kids hurting or killing themselves with a gun is high.
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  8. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    No, I wouldn't. I'm not trained to use them, and despite incidents like this I still perceive the risk to be low enough that it wouldn't be worth it to learn how to carry responsibly.
  9. Vonnegut

    Vonnegut Well-Known Member

    Grew up learning to shoot/hunt as a kid. Spent years shooting in leagues, gun clubs, competitions, etc. Attended a lot of training events, high stress scenarios, etc. Have a CCP. Still likely wouldn’t carry on campus if it were allowed. The risk/reward ratio in this political environment is harrowing.
  10. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Mass shooters use assault weapons for maximum kill. Makes sense. That's what the AR15/M16 was designed to do, to kill as many people at medium range as possible. Now why a civilian would need such a weapon I have given up asking but there are three gun shops in my mid-size city that will sell you one.

    Going up against a mass shooter who has an assault weapon, 100 round magazine and body armor with a Glock 9 mm isn't a very attractive option.

    I don't know whether it could be enforced or how but a complete felony level ban on civilian possession of assault weapons, including a mandatory buy back program, might be about the minimum effective action Congress could take.

    Won't happen in my lifetime. We love our guns more than we love our children. That's been clear for fifty years.
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  11. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Oh, and when I was encouraged to carry I refused for all the reasons others have posted here.
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  12. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    There will, however, be no interruption in the flow of "thoughts and prayers".
  13. JBjunior

    JBjunior Active Member

    There is a heavily regulated near-ban on assault weapons since 1986. The AR-15 isn’t classified as an assault weapon because it isn’t select fire.
  14. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Nevertheless it is an assault weapon. The last time I checked even the M16 no longer has a full auto setting. It can only squirt out three rounds at a time. The M16 I fired for familiarization many years ago was full auto and it was a bizarre experience. Like watering the lawn except with bullets.
  15. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    I generally carried an ancient .45 automatic.
  16. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    By the way, what are the "thoughts and prayers " people actually thinking about and praying for?
  17. JBjunior

    JBjunior Active Member

  18. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Read the link and saw the pics. Q: How is that small picture of six female athletes a "fail?" Lovely! I'd cheer for each and every lady on that squad any day!
    Last edited: May 30, 2022
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  19. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

  20. Charles Fout

    Charles Fout Active Member

    In principal - Yes.
    In my current reality - No. Several years ago, I elected to stop carrying.
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