Canada's digital nomad remote work scheme

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  1. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    And - the Internet is wrong again. It says the song first came out in 1990. It didn't. That was a remake. Jimmy Kennedy wrote it in 1953 - so yeah, I was 10, like I said. He was a marvellous writer. Teddy Bears' Picnic etc. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Kennedy
     
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  2. chrisjm18

    chrisjm18 Well-Known Member

    Hard to acquire? How so? Hard to get rid of? It doesn't appear that way to me: https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/legal/travel-legal-considerations/us-citizenship/Renunciation-US-Nationality-Abroad.html
     
  3. chrisjm18

    chrisjm18 Well-Known Member

    I had a colleague from the police force in Jamaica who migrated to Canada with her husband. I think they went through the Federal Skilled Worker (Express Entry) program. She was a corporal, and he was a sergeant. They both had MBAs. Migrating to Canada is much easier than the U.S. My brother also petitioned for himself through the Canadian Experience Class. He has worked on a temporary permit in Canada and then applied for permanent residency based on his Canadian work experience.

    My colleague is now a Regulated Canadian Immigration Consultant (RCIC). She has encouraged me to apply for permanent residency based on my education and experience. I am not really into Canada but hope to visit in 2024 or 25. Furthermore, dual citizenship is enough for me. I don't want another country's citizenship or residency. A remote visa is fine :)

    I can't wrap my head around anyone renouncing the citizenship of their homeland. If Jamaica didn't allow dual citizenship, I'd remain a U.S. permanent resident forever. There's no way under the sun I could give up my Jamaican identity <3

    Yes, the U.S. passport can get you to about 185 countries visa-free or visa on arrival, whereas the Jamaican passport can get you to approximately 90 countries. So, I know some Jamericans only have a U.S. passport. I have both. Kenya, Ghana, and Tanzania are just a few countries I will visit that don't require a visa for Jamaicans but do for Americans. Also, last week, I paid J$5,000 for entry to this rainforest adventure because I had a Jamaican passport. Otherwise, I'd pay U.S. $145 (J$22,000). The same was true for Dunn's River Falls, where I paid J$1,000 for entry instead of U.S. $25 (J$3,800). Still, the U.S. passport will be invaluable to my travel plans in 2024.
     
  4. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Well, once you're a Green Card alien, the citizenship step is not difficult. Getting a Green Card can be. Canada is much easier. Giving up U.S. citizenship is more difficult than the State Department suggests. Two places to look. Wikipedia under "accidental American" and a web site called nomad capitalist.

    Here's the thing. The U.S. is one of a very small number of countries that taxes its citizens on world wide income and also requires U.S. citizens to disclose foreign trusts. Just complying can be complex but worse, the world's banks will refuse to deal with U.S. citizens that don't comply.

    Well, high net worth individuals try to escape that burdensome regime and when they do they find that Uncle Sam has his hand out for one last big chuck of change.

    What is more, denaturalization has to be accepted by the State Department. If State decides that you intend to continue any kind of U.S. residency they can, and have, said "No."
     
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  5. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Oui. Good thing I just renewed my Google service....
     
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  6. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    In fact, your U.S. citizenship that you thought was out of your life forever can be retroactively restored, not only without your consent, but without notice to you or a hearing!
     
  7. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    No country's nationality is always voluntary. If you were born in Canada to a Canadian father and a U.S. born mother who spent a few years in the U.S., you are a U.S. citizen whether you like it or not. Indeed, whether you know it or not. Children cannot renounce U.S. citizenship nor can their parents do it for them.
     
  8. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    You would also be a Canadian citizen whether you like it or not.
     
  9. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    How about "whether they like me or not." :)
     
  10. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    AFAIK, Canada is another. I know elderly ex-Germans and ex-Brits who tried to evade taxes on their partial pensions from their homeland. Caught - every one of them. I think the tax people spend half their days at least, steaming open foreign mail at Canada Post.
     
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  11. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Well...Canada is a tolerant place. Even Brits are generally welcome.

    I don't know whether you are as tolerant as we are, though...Boris Johnson found out he was a U.S. citizen when he applied for a visa. He has since renounced.
     
  12. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Actually I'm wrong about that. Johnson just didn't want to pay US tax on the sale of his home.
     
  13. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    I'm definitely not, in this case. Although I don't like him, I'll tolerate Boris de Pfeffel-called-Johnson here, as long as he swears an oath that he will not run for Canadian political office of any kind. That's as far as I will go.
     
  14. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    The difference in U.S. taxation and Canadian tax, if I have this right, is that a Canadian living in, say, Mexico as a permanent resident will not pay Canadian tax on his Mexican source income. A U.S. national will pay U.S. income tax.
     
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  15. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    A U.S. passport can be an incredibly valuable asset overseas but it does not come cheap.
     
  16. chrisjm18

    chrisjm18 Well-Known Member

    Dad shares the moment he realized he couldn't raise his daughter in the United States

    https://www.upworthy.com/amp/dad-refuses-to-raise-daughter-in-america-2662277017

    The most popular countries for Americans to move to are Mexico, Canada and the United Kingdom, in that order.

    Who would have thought Americans would want to live in Mexico while many Mexicans are fleeing?

    "The grass is greener where you water it."
     
  17. chrisjm18

    chrisjm18 Well-Known Member

    I can relate to this dad. Americans are obsessed with guns, and we have a gun violence problem. I sold my firearm in 2021 when I left for the Virgin Islands. When I returned, I decided not to get another firearm though my permit is valid until 2024. When I moved to my current state, I could have transferred my permit and gotten a new firearm. But, as the guy mentioned, carrying a gun puts weight on you (literally and figuratively).

    When I returned from my trip to three African countries in the summer of last year, it dawned on me that of all the airports I went through, the U.S. was the only country where immigration officials had guns. Not in Germany, Belgium, Rwanda, Uganda, or Kenya.

    On another related note, I noticed that the couple in the article is in Spain. Close to the end of the past academic year, my teaching assistant (she's a teacher in a school district where I teach my college courses to high school students) told me that she was quitting her job to move to Europe. She said she and her husband were initially moving to Spain, and then they would travel to other countries in Europe, staying in Airbnb one month at a time. I just love those travel stories :) COVID-19 has opened people's eyes to the beauty of remote work, the better quality of life (with US$), and the peace of mind you can enjoy living overseas.
     
  18. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    The U.S. Mexico border is far more artificial and porous than Congress and the GOP realize. Millions cross each way daily for work and school and you'd be astonished by the number of dual nationals and bi national families. "Sealing" the border is both impractical and undesirable.
     
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  19. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    And stupid. Did I mention stupid?
     
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  20. Jonathan Whatley

    Jonathan Whatley Well-Known Member

    It's me, hi, I'm the problem, it's me. (Well, my mom lived over 20 years in the U.S., but most in Buffalo, which is arguably Canada.)
     

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