Canada issues LGBTQ+ travel advisory for the U.S.

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  1. chrisjm18

    chrisjm18 Well-Known Member

    Leave it to the Republikkklans, and we will have harsh LGBTQ+ laws like many African and Middle Eastern nations...


    There aren't many incentives to live in the U.S., after all (at least not for me).

    Hello from East Africa :);)
  2. Garp

    Garp Well-Known Member

    Well...that is hyperbole.

    Can we get past demonizing one party over another with that sort of caricature "kkk". Honestly hard to take people seriously when they do that or "Demonrats" or "Libtard". Not benefitting educated people much less a PhD.
  3. chrisjm18

    chrisjm18 Well-Known Member

    Unlike some people, a Ph.D. doesn't define me. I am who I am with or without a Ph.D.
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  4. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Me either. The PhD doesn't define me. OTOH, the DSocSci....:D
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  5. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Can I use "Fascist"? Because that one have scholarly definitions, and I believe Trump-Desantis-Ramaswami wing of the GOP (which is, with the purge of Romney and Liz Cheney and questions about McConnel's health, is essentially all of GOP) fits to a T. Should we go through Eco's 14 traits?
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  6. SweetSecret

    SweetSecret Well-Known Member

    It's terrible but the US has gotten so hateful that other countries have to warn their citizens not to come here. Sigh. I want a boat.
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  7. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    That begets the question whether they really "have to", or whether it's just that many Canadians have a dubious fixation on emphasizing any difference, however modest, between themselves and the US that they can find.
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  8. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    It's not about alleged "dubious fixations" - or ridiculing comments. This is our Canadian Government talking -- and they're advising as they feel necessary to protect Canadians abroad. This is serious, as they see it. And as I see it. And as you obviously don't. 'Bye.

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  9. Rachel83az

    Rachel83az Well-Known Member

    Some people read The Handmaid's Tale and thought it'd be amazing if it were real. Down to, it looks like, Canada being a safe haven for people. That's really not a book anyone should be emulating.
  10. tadj

    tadj Well-Known Member

    I am not proud of the issued travel advisory. It expresses an increasing ideological rigidity that I always found off-putting. I doubt that vast numbers of Canadians support this specific type of virtue signalling and political campaign making (

    There are "non-official warnings" concerning Canada that are being issued by Canada-visiting journalists and they are probably going to have a slightly bigger impact on the public than this travel advisory;

    As for travel advisories, I wouldn't be surprised if other countries started issuing them for foreign university students;
  11. Jonathan Whatley

    Jonathan Whatley Well-Known Member

    The actual text from the Canadian travel advisory is pretty sober and seems hard for anyone to disagree with.

    This is the entire section within Canada's travel advisory for the U.S.:

    "2SLGBTQI+ travellers
    Some states have enacted laws and policies that may affect 2SLGBTQI+ persons. Check relevant state and local laws."

    A link follows to a general page, not specific to any destination country, for Canadian travellers about foreign laws and customs related to sexual orientation, etc.

    Anyway, Canada's travel advisory for the U.S. calls it like it sees it with something for every political position. It leads off with warnings about violent crime especially near the border with Mexico and in urban areas. It cautions that Canadians visitors "must abide by local laws," that some U.S. states have the death penalty, that U.S. drug laws and penalties are severe, and that Canadians charged with a crime in the U.S. can't expect special treatment by virtue of being Canadian. It notes U.S. health care is "excellent," but "treatment costs are expensive."

    The U.S. still gets the safest rating Canada grants any country, a green check mark meaning "take normal security precautions." Countries with ratings less safe than the U.S. include the U.K., France, U.A.E., and Sweden, which are still popular travel destinations!

    That said, the proposition
    isn't wrong.
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  12. Dustin

    Dustin Well-Known Member

    I think that there are mammoth cultural differences between the US and Canada. They are subtle but numerous.

    Canada has its own issues with LGBT rights that make it a bit hypocritical to be warning Americans but I think sometimes these warnings are sometimes driven by political rather than practical considerations.
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  13. Garp

    Garp Well-Known Member

    People (not you) who believe that book is being fulfilled have great imaginations. Drama mamas. Grab a Pumpkin Spice Latte and head for Whole Foods and then off to the Karen Convention.
  14. Jonathan Whatley

    Jonathan Whatley Well-Known Member


    Remember, the OP in this thread is about a travel advisory Canada publishes for which the intended audience is Canadian travellers.
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  15. Rachel83az

    Rachel83az Well-Known Member

    Have you read the book? It's pretty scary how prescient some aspects of the story have been. We've even got women similar to Serena Joy campaigning to end women's suffrage on Twitter and other social media platforms.
  16. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    I haven't been keeping up with Canadian government communications lately. I'll have to take a proper gander at it when I have a chance.
  17. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    It isn't, you are right about that.
    However, given the importance of US ties and typical Canadian aversion to making a scene, the fact that the Trudeau-fil Cabinet issued this thing openly is remarkable.
  18. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Of course, that's unthinkable. Just like a full-scale war in Europe was unthinkable mere 18 months ago.
    I don't think Gilead's coming, I really do not. But for an outsider (especially, Canadian one; they are conditioned to see things in US this way)? Consider facts: top candidates (plural) for President from one of the two major parties say things that sound literally Fascist; a man held up as a "reasonable alternative" to them is a deeply religious Commander Mike seemingly right out of the book. It's all humorous until it isn't.
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  19. chrisjm18

    chrisjm18 Well-Known Member

    It's each country's job to warn its citizens about potential issues they may encounter when traveling to other countries. The U.S. warns citizens about traveling to other countries. However, it wouldn't warn potential visitors to the U.S. that they may encounter mass shootings. That's not its job. That's for other countries to do. So, I wouldn't say Canada is being hypocritical. No country is perfect when it comes to LGBTQ+ or any other issue for that matter. However, actively passing laws to make life more miserable and unsafe for LGBTQ+ is different from recognizing the existing challenges and working to improve the conditions.
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  20. chrisjm18

    chrisjm18 Well-Known Member

    “Every Canadian government, very much including our government, needs to put at the center of everything we do the interests and the safety of every single Canadian and every single group of Canadians,” Deputy Prime Minister Chrystia Freeland said Tuesday, defending the decision to update the advisory.

    The Deputy PM would disagree.

    “We have professionals in the government whose job is to look carefully around the world and to monitor whether there are particular dangers to particular groups of Canadians. That’s their job and it’s the right thing to do,” she added.
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