Barrington University

Re: Further news

It does? How?

I'm not suggesting in any way that what you've said isn't true. I would look towards see it backed up with examples, though.

As we know, DETC has no candidacy process. Applicants are either accredited, rejected, or deferred. It's all or nothing. Until Barrington has it all (accreditation), it has nothing.

Will Barrington be accredited by the DETC? We've seen two other schools strangely get accredited, so who knows?

Again, who at DETC said this?

 

Just a thought

Well...hmmm...at this point you could wait it out for a couple of more months since you are already enrolled and obligated.

DETC will have its' next meeting in January on the 13-14th for its' school accreditation approvals. It may be a few days to a week after those dates before anyone knows if Barrington receives its' accreditation. If they do not pass in January then you will have to wait until the June 2006 meeting to know if it passed. Barrington could drop off the list in January as well, so keep your eye on the DETC site.

http://www.DETC.org


RXI

 

Re: Barrington

dwell, I'm sorry you most likely got snookered by Barrington. Your second post, given your first, is not surprising. You desperately want Barrington to be legitimate; and are hoping against hope that its DETC accreditation will come through so that you can blow out a sigh of relief. I'm worried, however, that that relief will never come. If ever there were an entity that probably shouldn't get DETC accreditation, Barrington seems to me like the one. Of course, DETC could still surprise us; but I think you should listen long and hard to what Rich Douglas is saying... and what others are trying to tell you, too.

If Barrington is rejected by DETC, please be careful that you don't become such an apologist for it that you end-up over on The Crabby Forum with the other knuckleheads who argue to the death the virtues of the less-than-wonderful because, if they didn't, they'd have to admit their mistakes. Your situation is common: A person begins study at an unaccredited -- and probably closer than not to millish -- school (and I use the term "school" loosely, in this case), and at some point after his investment therein is so large that he just can't bring himself to accept the school's nefariousness, he tries to make everyone believe (himself among them) that it's legit and rigorous and worthwhile. I, too, am glad you found this forum -- and, like you, sad that you did so after you put your money down on Barrington -- because it gives this place a halfway-decent shot at stopping you from becoming someone who spends most of his life defending a substandard (maybe even bogus) degree.

Do what you want, of course... but I'd write-off Barrington and move on. There are plenty of good programs out there that are both accredited, and every bit as easy to enter and complete, as you perceived Barrington to be. And that advice stands even if Barrington does end-up getting DETC accreditation.

Just stay away from it. It's got a diploma mill stink on it that's more trouble than it's worth.

Or so it is my $.02 worth.

 

I note that the Barrington website is now registered to Alex Mithani, who is elsewhere identified at the President of the Silicon Valley Learning Centers and the President of Iverson Business School, both with facilities in Arlington Texas and Norcoss Georgia.

HOWEVER: They still claim their accreditation from the dreadful "International Commission for Higher Education" (icfhe.org -- who only accredit 3 or 4 schools, including the awful Breyer State University, and the equally awful Pebble Hills University.

HOWEVER: They still flaunt the "Apostille" process as a means of validating their degrees. This is a completely fraudulent thing to do.

Alas, as Rich Douglas has indicated, DETC has on at least two occasions accredited schools that had claimed accreditation from a bogus agency until the very day they got their DETC accreditation.

The Barrington 'campus' seems to be right next door to a collection agency (room 204, room 205) at the same office park, which might be a warning to "dwell" if he or she falls behind on payments.

 

Good call. And if it's not a mill, then whatever it actually is isn't, for your purposes, sufficiently different. Circular-file the resume.

 

When discussing operations like Barrington, it isn't necessary to settle on a specific definition of "diploma mill." It also isn't necessary to determine whether or not such an operation is a diploma mill. If it isn't, the difference is so negligible as to be irrelevant.

This is the point lost on shills for such things.

 

Dr. Bear
"Alas, as Rich Douglas has indicated, DETC has on at least two occasions accredited schools that had claimed accreditation from a bogus agency until the very day they got their DETC accreditation."

As someone with 2 DETC diplomas I find this very discouraging. If Barrington is accredited this would be too much. I would no longer consider DETC schools for an education.

I also noticed that a Lambert University is trying for DETC accreditation. I wonder if this is some kind of trick?

 

FWD: also noticed that a Lambert University is trying for DETC accreditation. I wonder if this is some kind of trick?

John: Well that may depend on whether the head of DETC, Mike Lambert, is flattered, amused, or annoyed.

 

http://www.lambert.edu/mba/english/university/index.html

Lambert was formerly Newport Asia Pacific according to website and named after their former president.

 

Ashington

DETC also lists Ashington U as a candidate. Is this same Ashington Bill Dayson mentions here?

http://forums.degreeinfo.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1273&highlight=Ashington+University

 

Is DETC taking lessons from BPPVE?

DETC candidates Ashington,Barrington and Lambert are listed here.
http://www.osac.state.or.us/oda/unaccredited.html

I know this has been discussed before but why even accept their applications if they have this kind of history?

 

Re: Is DETC taking lessons from BPPVE?

Please, they are not "candidates." That term has a specific meaning in accreditation. It means the school(s) in question seem to meet accreditation criteria and, thus, will be monitored for a period of time prior to being granted accreditated status. (Assuming the school(s) actually meet and sustain the requirements for accreditation.)

DETC, on the other hand, has applicants and accredited schools, no candidates. Schools are applicants by virtue of their applications, nothing more. DETC feels compelled not to have a preliminary status before accreditation (or rejection thereof). Therefore, they must treat all applicants equally.

Finally, I don't think becoming an applicant is as simple as it seems. Orion College, the newest version of LaSalle Univeristy in Louisiana (a diploma mill), tried to become DETC applicants. It is widely understood that DETC took a look and discouraged the application. Orion closed for good soon after.

Perhaps the schools in question are bona fide applicants; perhaps not.

 

Rich: DETC, on the other hand, has applicants and accredited schools, no candidates.

John: True . . . but they also have an apparently undocumented pre-application process, worked out with the Louisiana authorities (but not restricted to Louisiana schools), where DETC does a fast and simple investigation to determine whether any given school can even apply for accreditation.

(Louisiana was planning an 'up or out' law, in which schools would have two years to get recognized accreditation or they'd have to leave. And this pre-accreditation process was developed because Louisiana didn't want to give the really bad guys operating there two years before they'd have to leave.)

Assuming this procedure is still in place, it suggests that the three schools in question persuaded DETC that they could actually apply.

 

Rich
"Please, they are not "candidates."

You're correct ,my mistake(again!!). But it seems a bit more than a blind application process that hopes for the best as Dr. Bear suggests.


DETC applicant page:

If that's the case then why does DETC list applicant schools? Couldn't this also mislead students? This IMHO is pretty careless on the part of DETC. We've seen how desparate people can be in finding a shred of credibility in the less than wonderfuls and this would provide that even if only briefly.

http://www.detc.org/new_applicants.html

 

Re: Just a thought

After reading and analyzing lot of topics and web sites I understand that any Degree mill can accrediated by DETC (www.detc.org).

Aff DMs have to prove themselves but have to change their name as well.

Once they will change their name they will accrediated with DETC.

 

Re: Just a thought

After reading and analyzing lot of topics and web sites I understand that any Degree mill can accrediated by DETC (www.detc.org).

Aff DMs have to prove themselves but have to change their name as well.

Once they will change their name they will accrediated with DETC.

 

Re: Re: Just a thought

Barrington is a new applicant, not a DETC-accredited school. All this means is they have filled out a simple form. There are no guarantees as to whether they will ever become accredited.

 

Re: Re: Just a thought

I believe the statement to be false that any degree mill can become accredited by DETC. For example, most degree mills do not require their graduates to pass any classes. I understand that DETC has strict limits on the amount of non-class credit.