Are we regressing as a nation?

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Is the U.S. going backwards?

Poll closed Jul 4, 2023.
  1. Yes

    7 vote(s)
    70.0%
  2. No

    3 vote(s)
    30.0%
  1. chrisjm18

    chrisjm18 Well-Known Member

  2. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Depends on your point of view, I guess.
     
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  3. SweetSecret

    SweetSecret Well-Known Member

    Don't forget that there are many people on social media starting up this whole issue of repealing the 19th to take voting away from women.
     
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  4. Garp

    Garp Well-Known Member

    No. Histrionics.

    Our government is sucking worse and we seem to be more partisan. That is a failure.

    We keep getting worse and worse Presidents so that sucks. We have had two of the worst (one still in office). I dare not ask what is next.

    Inflation has eaten up people's savings and for those on fixed income that sucks.

    We talk about race and trans rights nearly non stop. Probably depends who you are as to whether that is an issue. But at no time in US history has the LGBTQI etc etc had more rights and public presentation.

    Ethnic minorities have risen to the top ranks of the military and many other organizations. At one time several organizations I was in had Hispanics and African Americans in all the top spots. That would seem to be indicative of opportunity. Surely a good thing.

    Most commercials I watch have ethnic minorities in them in prominent roles. That wouldn't have happened even a decade ago.

    We still don't have a Native American or Asian on the Supreme Court. Democrats could have done that last time but were angling for votes. Republicans could have done it but well Trump.

    So is everything perfect. Nope. But is it regressing on the whole? Nope. Education might be regressing. We seem less informed and less curious in a substantive way. We are developing a preference for feeling as opposed to thinking.
     
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  5. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    That's awful! Until now I always thought the 19th Amendment was Prohibition. I looked it up - no, that was the 18th. Canadians... :)
     
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  6. chrisjm18

    chrisjm18 Well-Known Member

    Absolutely. This is the America that many people want. Many people don't care about how others are affected once America works for them. I saw a lot of this during Trump's presidency. People would say the economy was booming, but they didn't care that LGBTQ+, Mexicans, etc., were being attacked by Trump. The trouble is that people don't speak up because the issues don't affect them. But who will speak up for you when issues are affecting you?
     
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  7. chrisjm18

    chrisjm18 Well-Known Member

  8. SweetSecret

    SweetSecret Well-Known Member

    Your post prior made me think of exactly this so I am glad you posted it because I was about to!
     
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  9. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    ...especially considering Socialists in 1920-30ies Europe were actually Socialist. Not just the unbearable threat of raising a top tax bracket by 1.5% or giving the IRS money to, you know, do its job.

    Having said that - no, I don't think we are regressing. It's hard to tell from within the moment, but I think history will see it as just another backlash on the way of progress.
     
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  10. MaceWindu

    MaceWindu Active Member

    :eek:o_O:mad::(
     
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  11. Asymptote

    Asymptote Active Member

    Who?
     
  12. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    I don't bother with social media - any of it. But there's a fair bit about this on the web. I think it may have been started by Trumpers, who found that a very large portion of Trump voters were men - so they came up with this screwball misogynistic idea, to support their screwball misogynist leader.

    TIME reports here: https://time.com/4529800/donald-trump-women-voters-2/
    Here's another site. You need a password. Me no got. https://therevivalzine.wordpress.com/2020/07/12/why-are-people-talking-about-repealing-the-19th-amendment/
     
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  13. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

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    Johann Well-Known Member

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  15. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    It'd be funny if they spend voluminous resources to succeed at repealing the 19th amendment only for the courts to decide that the fourteenth amendment also includes women and therefore according to today's jurisprudence that the nineteenth amendment was redundant anyway.

    (And no, before someone bites my head off, I don't actually want that to happen.)
     
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  16. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    This alone qualifies you to be a wise person.
     
  17. SweetSecret

    SweetSecret Well-Known Member

    Search the hashtag #RepealThe19th on any major social media site and you will see people discussing the issue.
     
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  18. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    No, I don't think so. We are reaching the logical end of ever increasing equality and the pushback is nothing new. No Governor now, though, would ever say in public "Segregation forever!" as George Wallace did in my childhood. True, Ron DeSantis and his tame Legislature passed bills to legalize discrimination based on race and national origin but I'd be surprised if even DeSantis himself entertains any fantasy that such laws will withstand even the most cursory of court reviews. It's ballyhoo that's all. Dangerous ballyhoo but ballyhoo nevertheless.
     
  19. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Another thing. The Hard Right has reached a point where ideology trumps success and not just in electoral politics. The recent vote of the Southern Baptist Convention to dis affiliate a major church because it has a woman pastor is an example.

    Politics of exclusion is not a smart long term strategy. In 1926, 25,000 Klansmen in their white hoods marched down the National Mall. Where are they now?
     
  20. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Buying red hats.
     

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