Are ANY state approved degrees accepted? By whom?

We simpletons should know better than to use a verbatum quote without spin.

 

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"It wasn't measured, nor stated, in those terms."

 

Those are an exact quote (except for the all-caps). Relying on others to accurately paraphrase them is folly. Originally, you said:

I am told that 96 % of human resources managers accept state approved degrees as being at least somewhat useful.

That's different. In no way did 96% of HR managers say state-approved degrees were useful. That utterly mis-states both the question and the responses to it.

The process of you reading what someone else (not me) wrote and then posting it here, only to have me correct it, then have you go back to your source for clarification, is cumbersome. Let's pass.

 

Rich

Sorry for being right. I won't let it happen again.

 

"Right"? The only thing you got right was a percentage. Everything else you ever have to say about this is either dead wrong or unsupported. It took you two tries to get a second-hand quote (while not even noting the punctuation changes), you misinterpret the statement (which, apparently, you hadn't even read), and you claim to be "right"?

It is pointless to engage you in these discussions, Dennis. You and your ilk are pointless. You have no interest in the subject matter, you never (EVER) back up your wild assertions, you're dead wrong on so many things (CCU comes to mind), and your only purpose seems to be destructive commentary. Well, you can do that on your own.

 

I was specifically addressing your quote that was in my post.

There are many unaccredited choices and they will (99% +) happily accept your money. The point is that the habitually unaccredited general education institutions are outside the standard educational system here in the USA. People like Dennis will tell you different but they are wrong. A degree from any of them including the roaring degree mills may serve you in the private sector. A degree such as this is frequently referred to as a time bomb around here because it could explode at any time. They will not generally be helpful in the academic sector. Although even in the academic sector it has been known to slip through admissions on occasion.

So I guess the miscommunication here is that by expressing an interest in the general category of unaccredited institutions to transfer your credits, you really are expressing an interest in what many will generally consider fake degrees. The people with these kind of degrees love to split hairs over state approved versus state licensed but it is really just discussing the difference between bad and worse (sometimes it's between worse and worse) because they are both unaccredited.

 

Destructive commentary?? I guess there were destructive punctuation errors. I just made a simple statement based on your research and the accusations start flying. I can't even agree with you without your criticism.

 

Bill,

Allow me to apologize for shooting from the hip a bit. I understand, now, where you're coming from.

One potential transfer prospect (I say "prospect" because I have yet to speak with them) is Northwestern California University School of Law. It *may* (I use the term loosely) give me a chance still yet. On their FAQ's page here's what I found:

The California Bar compiled a list of ABA approved law schools that may accept California correspondence law school graduates for advanced graduate degrees. The schools named on the list are as follows:

University of Alabama (Tuscaloosa, Alabama)
Capital University (Columbus, Ohio)
Case Western Reserve University (Cleveland, Ohio)
University of Illinois (Champaign, Illinois)
John Marshall (Chicago, Illinois)
Lewis & Clark College (Portland, Oregon)
Northwestern University (Chicago, Illinois)
St. Louis University (St. Louis, Missouri)
Temple University (Philadelphia, Pennsylvania)
University of Texas at Austin (Austin, Texas)
University of Utah (Salt Lake City, Utah)
Wayne State University (Detroit, Michigan)


St.Thomas University School of Law in Miami, Florida, with its online LLM program in International Taxation and resident LLM program in Intercultural Human Rights, should now be added to the list.

Some of those schools, particularly Case Western, are definitely nothing to sneeze at. I have no was of being sure this is a true claim. Perhaps, someone else knows something about this?

 

Hi, Supernova. I think what you are doing is kind of cool. I like it.

I'm certainly no authority on PIs, but I'll say that while your program offers an associates degree, I don't think that's the important thing. PI'ing is a field that requires job skills, not degrees. Think of this as one of those non-degree vocational programs with a degree included as an additional benefit.

One thing to consider is licensing. Some states license PIs. I don't believe that the licenses are hard to get, but be sure to check it out anyway, to make sure that your program meets any requirements that there might happen to be. Accreditation is unlikely to be an issue, but there may be requirements involving subjects covered or hours of instruction.

I agree with Nosborne that even if you took this associates program at an accredited college, you probably wouldn't be able to transfer most of your credits because they are too specialized and vocational. That often happens with accredited community college programs in things like those para-medical specialities.

It's not the end of the world. Most of the courses that would successfully transfer into another program would be lower-division undergraduate general ed anyway, and you could probably clep a lot of that. There may be some investigations-specific classes that you might want to tranfer as well, but if you told the people at the accredited school that you are already a licensed PI, they might let you challenge some of those courses or substitute something else for them. Most colleges are flexible.

But if your goal down the road is to do a masters in criminal justice, you probably shouldn't be thinking about transferring into another non-accredited program. You will limit your future options too much.

A non-accredited program at this vocational level is fine. Few PIs have college degrees in PI'ing. But at the graduate level in criminal justice, accreditation is going to make a difference.

 

Regular readers of my posts will (I hope) forgive me for repeating myself for the nth time.

Unaccredited correspondence Bar qualifying schools are not necessarily degree mills. They are a peculiar creation of California law. Some, like NWCalU and TaftU and Concord and Oak Brook produce graduates who routinely become licensed attorneys in California and, with practice experience, in several other states as well. In addition, Taft and Concord actually have accreditation from DETC and so are not, strictly speaking, unaccredited institutions.

The combination of Bar admission and an unaccredited degree may well be sufficient to gain admission to an LL.M. program at an ABA school. I speculate, however, that Bar admission may prove crucial to gaining admission with an unaccredited degree. I suspect further that Bar admission alone, say following a law office apprenticeship and a decent B.A., may well be enough to get into an LL.M. program.

This situation cannot really be compared with an institution with NO professional or academic recognition.

 

International University for Graduate Studies

HELLLLLLLLLLLLLP iS THIS SCHOOL EQUIVALENT TO AN ra SCHOOOL OR NOT? iF NOT, why NOT? please hellllllPPP

 

I've never heard of the school but it is listed in Bears' Guide in the unaccredited chapter so the answer is no to your question. It appears to now be defunct.

This is off topic for the current thread. I suggest that you start a new thread. There may be some that can answer your question but won't see it buried in a different thread.

P.S. Welcome to the board.