Discussion in 'Accreditation Discussions (RA, DETC, state approva' started by DailyNews, Sep 4, 2011.
Hey guys, does anyone know of any news of Nations getting accredited anytime soon?
Have you tried contacting them? In the past they seem to have been very open about where they are in the process.
A revised and robust 400+ page SAR was resubmitted to the DETC last week. We anticipate a positive outcome for this revised SAR. Hopefully will have 40-44 0r so individual courses evaluated. Currently a new undergraduate math course is being developed . Several professors are actively engaged and we are continually upgrading all departments and systems. Some of the issues being worked out is once accreditation is realized how to fairly offer essentially tuition free DETC school. One certainty is that NU will have to raise the administrative fee for the students that are able to pay. I can also tell you it will not be a drastic raise as many board members and stake holders demand that NU follow the original mission. I offer a very speculative guess that the administration fee for certain students will raise to $200-600 a year. Also this guess is not NU's official position but only what I have heard being debated.
:wave: Adjunct Instructor – that is good news. Accreditation would be beneficial to the students of NationsU. The recently improved and/or new religious studies and general education courses should help the effort. Donors will surely step up giving, and ‘ability to pay’ students should not find a modest increase in yearly fees too much of a burden.
onder: Adjunct, I do have a general observation/question about NationsU that you may be able to shed light on. I do wonder about their policy of not accepting any diploma program courses from other Church of Christ (accredited or not) colleges as equivalent to their initial 30 hours of basic religious studies required for the Bachelor of Religious Studies program. Some of the larger residential CofC universities do, or did in the past. I have asked the admin, and did not see any flexibility in the policy. [Answer by PM if you do not want to comment publically.]
Disclaimer: I’m not affiliated with NationsU or the Church of Christ, except as a donor, but I do steer potential students to the programs NationsU and other Church of Christ distance schools offer when appropriate. The programs are particularly popular with inmates serving long-term sentences, since the cost is nil.
The reason for this policy is because NU wants to have the student take a specific set of courses with NU course content for the first portion of the BRS degree program. There is a spiritual/theological foundation being presented. If we accept cOC coursework as fulfilling our foundation coursework then we would seemingly be obligated to accept others and some doctrinal positions or outcomes that may not be in line with our coursework. So it best that we establish our foundation and require the student to complete those courses. After that is done a student is more than welcomed to transfer in other accredited coursework. We welcome all students of all faiths and worldviews. I hope this was enough of an explanation. Blessings to you.
NationsUniversity has passed the SER with DETC and will soon be listed as an initial applicant. Should be an official announcement very soon.
Does Nations need more advisers? Or more courses? And/or someone to make their website a bit more professional looking?
NU would be glad to receive qualified assistance. Please contact Marty Lynn the administrator at NU. Thanks. Blesses to you.
That is outstanding. I have been in touch with him as well and I am looking forward to assisting the school when I complete the doctorate next year. I've been in Moodle a bit getting to know the program(s). This is a great school!
Thank you. I hope you do join in on this remarkable education ministry.
AdjunctInstructor - Thank you for posting this information...very good news for sure! I'm wondering if you might know the answer to a question I have. Back when NU originally began their accreditation bid, it was mentioned that if a student completed all but one course in a degree program, then waited until after NU was accredited, they would simply have to finish the one remaining course to have an accredited degree. Do you happen to know if there is any way for students who already have a degree with NU to do something similar and essentially earn a new degree by completing a limited number of courses?
Thanks again for your post...great to hear that things are still moving forward!
Regarding my post above...sorry, I must have clicked on one of Garps posts by accident. I had intend to include one of AdjunctInstructor's posts, but I obviously clicked the wrong one. That was my first post...I'll try and get it right next time!
We must recognize that entering a successful application/readiness report with DETC is just the first step, certainly a significant step, however there is more hurdles to jump over before accreditation is realized. Unfortunately any degree from NU dated prior to DETC accreditation would be unaccredited. One positive is that your degree will have some added value by proxy e.g. from a recognized and developing school.
What if you are in the middle of your degree when it becomes accredited and you graduate from the school after it receives accreditation? Shouldnt one be considered as having an accredited degree?
Sure -- why not?
Short answer - yes.
I don't know of any exceptions, although there may be some. As I understand it -- if the school is accredited by the time you graduate, then your degree is from an accredited school. Your starting date is not significant, as far as I know.
Conversely, if a school loses its accreditation, past grads still have degrees from an accredited school. If the school remains open without accreditation, its future grads will not have "accredited" degrees from that school.
In general, I would recommend people be very careful, if their strategy involves enrolment at a school in anticipation of accreditation. One can never be sure of the time-line. The school can be pretty good, yet the accreditation process can be derailed, delayed, denied, re-started etc. It can be even trickier than timing the stock market.
I am sure that in this situation the degree is accredited due to the fact that the date on the diploma would reflect a post-accreditation attainment date. I would like to point out that successfully completing this report, which took about two years to complete due to the changes NU needed to undergo before being in a viable position to move forward in the process, is a huge step forward there is still more to do before actual accreditation is realized. However, NU has worked diligently and is motivated about seeing this through. Therefore, I am confident in eventually seeing the DETC logo on NU's webpage. I have contributed to this effort and have played a roll in some of the changes at NU without accepting remuneration . So I am vested, as is many others, in the success of NU's accreditation bid. There is a real need for extremely low cost DL Christian education .
This sounds like good news.
Hotdillon and farmboy, my theory is this....if you are going to go unaccredited, go with Nations. It is affordable and going to be possibly DETC (USDOE recognized) accredited. You cant beat that for the money. As far as it's use in the Secular or non-secular world, I think for resume purposes, a DETC accredited degree would look good in both fields, but how far you can go is unknown,, depends on what you want to do. If a certain job only requires a Bachelor's and you put you have a Master's from a DETC accredited school, I cant help but think that would look great on a resume, but in the private sector, not Gov't, but it still couldn't hurt.
Daily, thanks for the insight. That does make sense, especially in today's economy. People have degrees on their resumes from Master's up and can't work in their field, but it still looks good on their resume to have that degree. That is my philosophy with the Master's in Religious Studies with Nations. There is so much I have wanted to learn about religion and the bible and at the same time, sharpen my resume, plus it may be accredited in the next few years. Also you cant' beat the price and their reputation.
Thanks for the encouragement. Any news as to where the process lays presently?
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