Another School shooting

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  1. Phdtobe

    Phdtobe Well-Known Member

    As a father and grandfather, not sure what I want to say. But I am becoming sad of this regular occurrence. Regardless of political affiliations, parents in the USA must be living a nightmare sending their children to school.
     
  2. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member

    Any details you'd care to share?
     
  3. cofflehack

    cofflehack Member

    Oh, there's another one again? It's indeed alarming to be hearing such news and its a rampant one in the US. And yes, we started to have second thoughts about sending children to school.
     
  4. Phdtobe

    Phdtobe Well-Known Member

    10 fatal, 10 hurt. 17 old kid suspect
     
  5. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member

    Where did this shooting occur?
     
  6. Phdtobe

    Phdtobe Well-Known Member

    A secondary school in Santa Fe Texas.
     
  7. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    The U.S. is the ONLY country that has such a high number of school shootings. Our dumb lieutenant governor thinks that the problem is that Santa Fe High School is big and has too many entrances and exits. This is either delusion at the highest level or deliberate ignoring of the real problem. I hope the father is charged with making firearms accessible to a minor.
     
  8. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Perhaps, but a kid still has a better chance of being struck by lightning than being shot at school. One of my kids attends a public high school and I'm just not worried about it.
     
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  9. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    I was sitting on an unsubmitted post, trying to find the best way to phrase this exact same point. I have no children, so I can't from experience speak of the worry that a parent might feel, but I work in public schools 100-200 days of the year, depending on what wind blows me in what direction for my contract work, and I go in on each of those days with more confidence of my safety than I would if I was working in a convenience store.

    For what it's worth to anybody, my reference to convenience stores was not a completely random one. My Dad was shot to death after having just finished his shift at a convenience store one night. Yes, I feel the personal loss every single day, but just today I went to the corner store to buy a coconut bar and a root beer. I could have been killed by a robber in the process, or I could have been hit by a car on the way there, or I could have choked to death on my snack, or I could have tripped and fallen on a nail that pierced my heart.

    Recognizing the dangers before us, and doing what we can to intelligently minimize them, doesn't mean we're doomed to live in fear.

    Little comfort to parents of fallen children, I know. I pray that they may sublimate their grief and receive comfort in the wake of their loss. :(
     
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  10. Phdtobe

    Phdtobe Well-Known Member

    Wow, that is heavy stuff MC about your dad.
    death by gun shot is having an affect on me, especially children being killed in classrooms in the USA. In my country of birth, death by gun shot in the biggest cause of homicide. Most gun owners are responsible.
     
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  11. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    Most of us adults, even those among us with otherwise questionable morals, would give up our lives to save children. It will always be incomprehensible how anyone could do them harm.
     
  12. Icampy

    Icampy New Member

    It kills me how some people will suggest restrictions on joe blow after this and every other one, while our children attend school in buildings that are less hardened and softer than every building in the country with a scumbag politician in (ignoring their security personnel on top of that). You aren't going to convince the boomers raising these animals to actually be a parent and not an adult once-hippie, you arent going to stop people with evil in their hearts from trying, its a waste to try restricting guns when 270 million are out there and 40% of households have one (that worked so well for marijuana), but they CAN harden the schools to a reasonable level. And 1 SRO is a start but not sufficient for our massive public schools. Hearing shots and having to run 200 yards, through a crowd, takes awhile.
     
  13. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    Your kid has a higher chance of being shot at school than people have of their guns being taken away by the government, but people still worry more about that.

    It's nice that you only have to worry about your child being shot at school. It's the number one cause of death for young black men.
     
  14. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    So, your solution is to waste more tax dollars on things that have no evidence of working. We do more when it comes to foreign terrorists; these are nothing but domestic terrorists. How about we look at how other countries have already successfully prevented school shootings instead of throwing money at illogical solutions? Parkland had several officers who either didn't want to face a more powerful weapon than what they had, or they were told to wait. There are conflicting stories, but the fact is that having several officers quickly on campus didn't stop 17 people from dying.

    The chance of being shot at school might be low now, but government officials would be quite ignorant and irresponsible to ignore the increasing frequency of school shootings. When crime rises in people's neighborhoods, they don't just sit there and let it continue to rise. That's just foolish.
     
  15. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    It appears that the trend in urban dense areas with giant schools has been to harden schools by:
    • Encircling them with large prison-type fences
    • Having fewer access points
    • Tightly controlling all entrances with (a) metal detectors and (b) security personnel
    Here are some interesting Google searches:
     
  16. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    Obviously, everything is down from the early 1990s when gang violence was at its height. This article came up in your search. It says that, while school shootings are down from the early 1990s, mass shootings are on the rise.

    https://www.npr.org/2018/03/15/593831564/the-disconnect-between-perceived-danger-in-u-s-schools-and-reality

    Israel is a war zone, and the high security is there to counter Palestinian terrorists, not students who attend the schools. It's sad that the U.S. thinks we should take war zone measures. European countries have broken families, bad parenting, and people with mental health problems, but they've successfully addressed these issues differently.

    Ironically, Israel has stricter gun laws than the U.S. does, and every Israeli is required to serve in the military.
     
  17. Icampy

    Icampy New Member

    Putting another SRO and locking the doors doesn't seem like a giant waste of tax payer dollars....and how exactly is there no evidence of a locked door not working? With some general security, you are stuck on the outside, or on the other side of a secure area.


    Or, eave the schools as soft targets, and what do you know, people stroll in and shoot up the place. Great plan. What murderer doesn't love a soft target.

    And yes, I know the chances of getting struck by lightning are higher than getting shot at school. That's not the point. Hard targets require significantly more effort to mess with. To say there is no evidence is silly.
     
  18. Icampy

    Icampy New Member

    And having lots of holes in you, placed by an SRO or whoever, will eventually make you stop killing people. So that works, too.
     
  19. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    It appears that most of the shooters are current or former students. As such, they will know how to defeat security protocols, even in hardened schools. However, hardened security protocols would be extremely effective against outsiders who are unfamiliar with the layout and security procedures. How many of the shooters are outsiders?
     
  20. Phdtobe

    Phdtobe Well-Known Member

    https://weather.com/storms/severe/news/lightning-deaths-by-state-2005-2014
    To lighten the topic I googled death by lightning strikes. Your conclusion of death by lightning may be not correct.
     
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