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  1. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    No, if we don't execute him I'd rather he was struck permanently without power of speech.
     
    nosborne48, Jan 15, 2024
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  2. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    The bleach thing was bizarre, but Ivermectin isn't a poison. It's a medicine for which its developers won the Nobel prize for medicine... as in human medicine. When those on the "trust the science!" left made fun of it as horse dewormer simply because they perceived it as a suggestion coming from the right, they were wrong, and unscientific to boot:

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33278625/
     
    SteveFoerster, Jan 15, 2024
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  3. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    T.I.L.
     
    Johann, Jan 15, 2024
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  4. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Early on Ivermectin was scientifically considered but ultimately rejected as a treatment. I recently saw this stated by a MD scientist that worked for the Trump administration on his pandemic response panel. His general statement on the subject was that medical knowledge typically takes 5 to 10 years to be accepted and widely used but that during the pandemic it was more like 5 minutes. Things were just moving extremely fast. For the rest of the pandemic Ivermectin was pushed as a solution primarily from the right but at that point that position was not based on the best scientific evidence known at the time.
     
    Bill Huffman, Jan 15, 2024
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  5. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    If we're being honest, neither was rejecting it to the point of a smear campaign against anyone who suggested trying it.
     
    SteveFoerster, Jan 15, 2024
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  6. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Talk show hosts who suggested trying it were being unscientific because by that time it had already been rejected by the scientific community. Medical suggestions, especially novel medical suggestions should be the purview of medical experts not talk show hosts and the like.
     
    Bill Huffman, Jan 15, 2024
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  7. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    And yet how many of those on the left take Greta Thunberg seriously?

    Remember, I'm not pointing that out because I think climate change isn't real, because I do.
     
    SteveFoerster, Jan 15, 2024
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  8. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    I would consider the situations apples and oranges. Greta is not pushing novel scientific theories.

    Maybe I'm misunderstanding the point here? I don't know of any examples where in this country the doctors ever gave any hospitalized folks Ivermectin after we'd gotten into the pandemic. Am I mistaken about this? Was Ivermectin ever being given to patients routinely by doctors here in the USA?
     
    Bill Huffman, Jan 15, 2024
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  9. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    IIRC, the most prominent initial research came from Brazil. Does that matter?
     
    SteveFoerster, Jan 16, 2024
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  10. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Johann, Jan 16, 2024
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  11. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Well, my understanding is that while many on the right like the right leaning talk show host (who I can't remember his name) was pushing Ivermectin as a medicine to treat COVID19 after it had been dismissed by the medical community. I thought perhaps I misunderstood and Ivermectin was being prescribed afterall.
     
    Bill Huffman, Jan 16, 2024
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  12. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    It was, but not as often as it might otherwise be, as physicians who were prescribing it were being threatened by regulators and the medical establishment.

    https://www.courthousenews.com/fifth-circuit-sides-with-ivermectin-prescribing-doctors-in-their-quarrel-with-the-fda/

    Lest I be misunderstood, my point is not "Boo hoo, if only everyone had Ivermectin!" I think we also now know that simply taking a Vitamin D supplement was the most effective thing one could do during the pandemic to minimize its risk (at least until there were vaccines). My point is that the pandemic was a chaotic environment in which, especially at first, the advice and directives that came from the top often weren't based on reproducible studies. There was no justification for discouraging physicians from offering it, but, as you say, once Joe Rogan talked it up it inevitably became a political pissing match where any suggestion to take it seriously stupidly got assigned to Team Red.
     
    SteveFoerster, Jan 16, 2024
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