Am I wrong to think that an associate's degree is seen as useless by people in professional life?

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  1. Steve Levicoff

    Steve Levicoff Well-Known Member

    Wow . . . Between Rich's tirades and pontifications here and in the thread on social distancing, I'm reminded of how Trump refers to the coronavirus as the "Chinese virus" and the "kung flu."

    I move, just for the fun of it, that we begin to refer to COVID-19 here at DI as the "Rich Douglas virus."
     
  2. Mac Juli

    Mac Juli Active Member

    OK, it's maybe not always the case, but a FD is - generally - seen as vocational studies and academic studies combined (so: more vocational), while a DipHE is seen as the more academic equivalent.

    From https://universitycompare.com/advice/student/foundation-degree/: "A Foundation Degree is a combined degree, twinning both academic and vocational qualifications together." While https://universitycompare.com/advice/student/diploma-of-higher-education/ states that a DipHE is a vocational qualification, too, it also says that "a DipHE follows the more traditional assessment route of academic essays, whether this is to be submitted as coursework, sat as final exams".

    Oh well. Confusing.
     
  3. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly

    I realize this was too subtle a distinction, but that's why I said "comes across as" rather than "is". My goal in saying that was to convey how other people I've known perceive this issue, not to personally attack you. So, for the record, I do not believe you are elitist.
     
  4. nomaduser

    nomaduser Active Member

    You can start studying again any time. It's encouraged for you to get a degree of some kind. But keep in mind that many of these degree programs don't teach you the very practical skills that can actually make money.

    Robert T. Kiyosaki Quote: “Schools teach you how to work for money, but don't teach how to make money work for you.”
     
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  5. sideman

    sideman Active Member

    How true this quote is. Sadly many, regardless of profession, job or trade, spend money they don't have and end up in perpetual debt. When you're living paycheck to paycheck and the money stops, most Americans only have a financial cushion of 1-2 weeks. And who's to blame? The schools with their lack of personal finance education? Or the parent/s that don't educate themselves about money and pass the "lessons" on to their kids? It is a never ending cycle.

    And as far as practical skills go, if you find a successful mentor in your field, that is willing to show you "the way", you will only enrich yourself with that person's knowledge. It is invaluable.
     
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  6. heirophant

    heirophant Well-Known Member

    Here in the United States, many people get jobs as paralegals with associates degrees.

    Here in California, where I live, an associates degree is the entry-level qualification in nursing. There are lots of jobs in nursing, many community colleges offer it and it's definitely not a waste of time.

    A community college program that I especially like is Moorpark College's program in Exotic Animal Training and Management. Its graduates become zookeepers and are apparently in demand.

    https://www.moorparkcollege.edu/teaching-zoo

    For an Aircraft Mechanics Certificate, the FAA requires either 18 months of practical work experience on Powerplants or Airframes (or 30 months on both for both certificates) or alternatively graduation from an FAA approved aircraft mechanics school. These programs are typically offered by community colleges.

    Many trades type subjects are offered at community colleges and they often lead directly into employment.

    I personally think that community colleges are the hidden gem of higher education. They are often very inexpensive and lead on to many kinds of good jobs.

    As far as looking down at people goes, I have far more respect for Aircraft Mechanics than I do for kids with a BA in Sociology. Lots more expertise involved.
     
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  7. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Besides bad personal judgment - due in considerable measure to lack of financial education, and in many cases lack of common sense, combined with an unhealthy dose of desperation, there are a couple of issues - in addition to easy credit and predatory practices - that make things worse:

    (1) The monster of Higher Education debt - $1.3 trillion and climbing. Lifetime financial slavery.
    (2) About 36% of collection agency business in the US is medical-related. Huge debt. Other countries don't have this.

    Interesting stats here: https://callminer.com/blog/state-debt-collection-2018-industry-statistics-trends-collection-practices/

    I am in full agreement with Mr. Kiyosaki's statement, as quoted by Sideman. I just believe that there are other causes to the plight that he mentioned and they should be acknowledged.
     
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  8. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Besides bad personal judgment - due in considerable measure to lack of financial education, and in many cases lack of common sense, combined with an unhealthy dose of desperation, there are a couple of issues - in addition to easy credit and predatory practices - that make things worse:

    (1) The monster of Higher Education debt - $1.3 trillion and climbing. Lifetime financial slavery.
    (2) About 36% of collection agency business in the US is medical-related. Huge debt. Other countries don't have this.

    Interesting stats here: https://callminer.com/blog/state-debt-collection-2018-industry-statistics-trends-collection-practices/

    I am in full agreement with Mr. Kiyosaki's statement, as quoted by Sideman. I just believe that there are other causes to the plight that he mentioned and they should be acknowledged.
    I don't have the context of Mr. Kiyosaki's remark, so I'm not clear if by "making money work for you" he meant doing a good job of personal finances in general, or solely investing for a return. If he meant the latter, there are plenty of courses/degree programs in investment. If he meant the former - then I have no argument, of course.
     
    Last edited: Sep 12, 2020
  9. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Thank you. And I shall take your observation and put it to good use in watching my tone. I most appreciate it.
     
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  10. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Keep swinging, Steve!
     

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