Alternative to Liberty

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  1. AV8R

    AV8R Active Member

    It's never wise to make assumptions about something or someone unless you know the facts. Do you personally know for a fact that Jr. is a racist? I don't. You see, I don't personally know the guy at all and have never had any interactions with him. And I strongly doubt that you have either. You've called Jerry Sr. a bigot in more than one thread on this forum. Do you even know what it means to be a bigot? According to Oxford Dictionary, a bigot is: "a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions." That's it. According to this definition, it appears that Sanantone is highly bigoted against Liberty University.

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  2. curtisc83

    curtisc83 New Member

    His son is very different. Sr was a pastor, Jr is a lawyer also since Jr took over the campus rules have all relaxed a great deal. The one thing they might have in common is they say/said more than they should in the moment. The whole foot in mouth syndrome must be genetic. I have seen the differences between the folks that went to LU around its founding and current students and it's almost night and day. The OG's think LU has lost its way and Jerry Sr. is turning over in his grave with the relaxing of the rules. The current gen seem to mostly be Christian but aren't the fire and brimstone types that LU attracted long ago. They are just normal college students. That's just my observation.
     
  3. LearningAddict

    LearningAddict Well-Known Member

    I wouldn't allow my educational pursuits to hinge on the political views of total strangers (with a few reasonable exceptions). Doing that, you'll never find a place to study since every school is going to have faculty with views that run the gamut, some/many of which are certain to not be in agreement with your own.
     
  4. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    So now I'm imagining Ice-T complaining about how it's just not the same Liberty University as when he was coming up.
     
  5. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    This is the Merriam Dictionary definition of a bigot.

    Cambridge Definition

    These definitions sound a lot like Donald Trump, who Jr. is supporting.

    If we were to go by your Oxford definition, then you would be the bigot. I respect that Liberty has the right to run its university how it wants. They do have exclusionary policies such as not awarding the military discount to spouses of the same sex even though they are legally married, but that is their prerogative. You might feel comfortable with giving them your money, but some aren't, and that needs to be respected. Liberty doesn't have to accept certain behaviors, and people don't have to attend their school. The OP and many others don't feel comfortable with attending Liberty University, and that's all there is to it. The OP's personal choice should be respected. Arguing with him or her is unnecessary.

    Back to the OP's request for suggestions, I thought there was enough information to go off of. There aren't very many online DSW and PhD in Marriage and Family Therapy programs to choose from. I was going to make suggestions, but Ted Heiks and major56 beat me to it. They're the only ones who gave any valuable information in this thread.
     
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  6. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    I forgot that Kizmet also recommended a school.

    For many people, schools like Liberty are the reasonable exception. Most schools are not like Liberty University, so finding one that isn't shouldn't be hard. This goes beyond the opinion of a faculty member or one person in administration. Liberty University's rules reflect the opinions of their leadership. If someone doesn't agree with those rules or the school-wide curriculum that is taught in some of their courses, then I don't see what is unreasonable about choosing not to attend that school.
     
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  7. AV8R

    AV8R Active Member

    Poor Liberty University.

    When I first started participating on this forum (a number of years ago), the school was highly regarded. It was a solid RA B&M school with a strong online presence. I've noticed in the past couple of years, however, a change in some DI members' attitudes towards the school. LU has become Degree Info's battered wife.

    But why?

    I don't recall ever reading anything negative about the quality of instruction. And the utility of the degree is just as good as that of many other colleges/universities.

    The only thing people seem to be complaining about is that it is a Christian evangelical school that (gasp!) hasn't become more secular, like other Christian schools. Oh, the humanity! The exception to this is Sanantone, whose home is clearly haunted by the long-dead Jerry Falwell.

    Liberty University isn't for everyone. I strongly suspect the school's leadership would probably tell you the same thing. If its evangelical roots are so incredibly off-putting to you, then don't go there. There are plenty of other schools that will surely take your money.
     
  8. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    Then, why didn't you say that in the first place instead of trying to convince the OP of something else? Are you surprised that people who aren't conservative Christians don't want to attend the school? Gasp! If someone came on here looking for a conservative, Christian school to attend, would we even be having this discussion? There are many very high-quality schools that are secular, so why should it matter? Well, it may not matter to some, but it matters to that person.
     
  9. AV8R

    AV8R Active Member

    Because the OP made a reference to a silly presidential endorsement. Seems pretty straightforward to me.


    No, this doesn't surprise me in the least. As previously mentioned, if someone is so incredibly off-put by the school's evangelical heritage, then LU is probably not a good fit for that individual. DI has devolved to the point where we can't even discuss the school or one of its programs without a particular thread turning into some sort of diatribe against evangelicals, Christians, the Falwells, or some combination thereof. It has become tiresome.
     
  10. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    It wouldn't have devolved into that if you would have just answered the OP's question. Apparently, you have nothing helpful to contribute to him or her. DI members being more interested in arguing with someone asking for help rather than actually helping has already gotten tiresome.
     
  11. Tireman 44444

    Tireman 44444 Well-Known Member

    And back to the subject at hand.......:)
     
  12. cookderosa

    cookderosa Resident Chef

    I wouldn't say it's DI's battered wife, maybe the wife of a few members which seem overly obsessed...or is it compulsive? Maybe someone could help me look that up?
     
  13. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    DPhil in Social Work at UNISA
    save a lot of $$$$$.

    http://www.unisa.ac.za/contents/myRegistration/docs/English%20Brochures/Social%20Work%202011.pdf


     
  14. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    Neither. An obsession continually preoccupies someone's mind. If people are going several months without even caring to discuss Liberty, which is the case on this forum, then it's more than likely not an obsession. A compulsion is the result of an unconscious urge such as washing one's hands repeatedly.
     
  15. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator

    obsession is about thinking, compulsion is about behavior.
     
  16. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

  17. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    UNISA is well priced.

    How is their degrees respected in US and the other countries.
    Are there any faculty in US universities with UNISA degrees?
     
  18. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

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