Accreditation of OUS Royal Academy of Economics and Business in Switzerland

Discussion in 'General Distance Learning Discussions' started by Studious_Eric, Jun 7, 2020.

  1. Mac Juli

    Mac Juli Active Member

    Hey, would be a great discussion opener!

    "Erich, old boy, I had a discussion with some guy from Germany about cusswords in a discussion forum about higher education... tell me, what on earth did you actually say when you f*cked up your car? And how did you do the last 60 years when you were not swearing?"
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  2. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Hübsch komisch! :)
  3. Johann766

    Johann766 Member

    Good point! MU has several local study center cooperations in Germany and other countries, I've one in Malta too. Kinda discriminating towards Ucn!
  4. Neuhaus

    Neuhaus Well-Known Member

    To Rich's point, I'm not sure a legitimate school could really make that workable. The degree as a licensed use of the school's name that can be withdrawn at any time model is novel but I don't imagine it would be enforceable. That's also assuming anyone would care. It's not like you'd have to suffer a loss of prestige from allowing your U Sedona doctorate to "lapse."

    As you say, likely just a business model to keep the money flowing. That said, I agree that it is clever. I also think it better captures the "this is not an academic but a religious degree" notion more than arguably more "legitimate" unaccredited schools like Trinity or LBU.
  5. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    Yes, but it is psychological. The graduate knows that she or he can hold himself as "Dr" but maybe someone checks with the school and the Doctorate might not longer be valid due lack of payment. The degrees are cheap but the catch here is that you can only call yourself "Dr" if you pay me the rent.

    Most of the UoS PhD holders use the degrees for self employment but maybe a customer might want to check the validity of the degree and be disappointed that the Dr is not longer a Dr.

    Most people will not pay dues but some might pay.
  6. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Indeed. I'd only go to Sedona out of abject desperation. But if I did need that doctorate so desperately, I'd be sure to keep it in farce - I mean force.
    I've no direct experience, but I suspect that move may be the smartest thing that goes on at Sedona.
  7. Neuhaus

    Neuhaus Well-Known Member

    That's a lot of work for a mill degree. Might as well just pay extra for a perpetual model. Pull the list of Florida religious exempt schools and go shopping!
  8. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    This is the sad part. The idea of a religious degree is to prepare you to serve God but it seems that people follow these qualifications to serve themselves. People that follow UoS degrees do it to get the title and not be ministers that are supposed to serve God.
    Maybe but people also go with UoS because the school has been in business for long and provides services to graduates. Most religious schools go out of business so there is no much value in having a PhD from a religious school that does not exist anymore.

    Also, UoS sued Oregon State when Contreras put UoS degrees as illegal to use in Oregon. They got Contreras to remove this school from the illegal list, all the other no name religious schools remain in the list.

    So people might see value in paying a membership fee.
  9. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    I don't think anyone is "serving God" or serving anyone except him/herself, who gets a quick, shady Ph.D. so he /she can "legally" put it on a business card and get a leg-up on the next poor schmo who doesn't have one, but is also, like them, trying to make a few bucks in some "unregulated," "fringe" counselling, health care or spiritual backwater.

    Charlatans and posers do not generally worry about serving God. They serve themselves. And their "schools" serve them.
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  10. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Active Member

    Okay, I hope I'm not too far off topic here but I just wanted to thank you wise fellows for the laughs. I quite enjoyed myself over the last few minutes.
  11. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    I don't feel qualified to judge people that get religious degrees but it is sad to see so much commercialization of these qualifications.

    The world of education is turning into a commodity exchange market.
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  12. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    Maybe the moderator should open a comedy show thread. We can discuss the value of Burkina Fasso degrees for Financial professionals in Wall street and the value of PhDs in Cryptozoology in the therapeutical industry or netflix consulting for Chupacabras series or a new film of Big foot.
  13. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Yes. Sad. Both in secular and religious education. The commoditization is a fait accompli - as of some time back, I think. There's plenty here in the forum. "Which degree has the best ROI? I'll buy that one." "Which are the cheapest credits - I'll buy those." A degree is now a purchase decision - not a learning one.

    I'm not judging all people who earn religious degrees-far from it. I'm against those who earn quick shady degrees solely for profit - hucksters who are neither sincere in their beliefs nor a desire to help people, but are solely motivated by money. By their actions, they usually become known - without my help.
  14. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    When people abuse, government regulates. As you know, in Ontario now naturopaths and psychotherapists are regulated. This because as you mentioned, there was abuse of people claiming to be a psychotherapist or naturopaths with low profile credentials.

    These credentials were never intended to be professional credentials for psychotherapists, naturopaths, etc but ministerial careers. However, this last one is mainly non paid for many of the non traditional churches so people use them for other purpose.
  15. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Maybe some of these schools could create "Doctors of TV preaching." Grads who are the best performers would undoubtedly get rich. And already, there are rich TV preachers aplenty who have sleazy "doctorates." Probably ideal degrees for their craft.
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  16. Neuhaus

    Neuhaus Well-Known Member

    Now THAT I did not know, thanks.

    I miss the glory days of that ban list. I learned much about accreditation from it, dang, that must've been close to 20 years ago at this point.
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  17. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Me too - but I learned more about bogus accreditation and non-accreditation. And yeah, a minor in lawsuits, I suppose. Mr. Contreras is long retired from that post. I believe he's enjoying life as a poet and bird-watcher now. Those are passions he has followed for many years.
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  18. cacoleman1983

    cacoleman1983 Member

    It all boils down to money and politics with degrees at all levels. The education market is a booming business and with it now being globalized, there is no point of paying a lot of money for education when you can find a bargain or simply the right connections. As a capitalistic society, someone has to be manipulated for someone else to get what they want. Furthermore, the ones who have the solutions that may have also created the problem are likely the top 1%.
  19. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Very easy to blame the top 1% for everything. Yes, that kind of wealth concentration has its pernicious side, but some problems aren't their doing - at least far from entirely their doing. 60 years ago in this part of Canada, four years of tuition at a public university cost a total of about $2,000 - somewhere around the price of an entry-level new car. Today, four years cost around $25,000 tuition on average. Foreigners pay WAY more. In Canada today, that money will buy you --- a slightly fancier, but by no means ostentatious - new car. I think that's OK, for sixty years on.

    A far smaller proportion of people went to University back then. In fact, only about 10% of students did so; first, they had to complete the University-required fifth year of High School, which has long since been abolished. Now many more people go to Uni. Back in 1960, you could get a reasonable-paying job and make a decent career without it. Nowadays in a lot of fields, Community college and/or apprenticeship will still get decent results for grads. I think they do a great job!

    IIRC around a third of arts grads went on to be teachers. Teaching jobs were easy to find then. Nowadays, they're not. Not at all. And it's extremely hard to get into a Teachers' College to qualify. Many Uni grads here get their teacher training in Australia or New Zealand etc. because there's no room for them here. I don't think that's all the fault of the 1%.

    The increase in enrolment has been accompanied by an increase in student debt, of course. But nothing like the 1.3 trillion situation in the US. The last figure I saw was around 15 billion total. With a population of about 10% of the US, I suppose that's about one-ninth of the student debt per capita in the US. I still think - at these prices, our student debt should be even lower.
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  20. Elbulk

    Elbulk Member

    I'm Nigerian and most people you see with the UCN degrees are people working in the humanitarian and NGO space...A lot of them have a Masters and PhD in Public Health. The public sector is still quite traditional and will rather have degrees from Nigerian universities or foreign brick and mortar schools.
    It will be almost impossible to get a teaching position at a University here with these PhDs.
    However, a lot of us are not interested in working with the public sector and the private sector is getting more flexible these days. Employers are looking for skills over the paper.

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