AAACSB-accredited DL Doctorate programs?

I remember reading a post awhile back with a list of domestic and overseas universities who offer a DL PhD program in business and who are also AACSB-accredited.

I tried to do a search, but the feature is still not working exactly right.

I'd appreciate it if someone could provide me with the list.

 

I think that there is no American on-line (or DL?) AACSB accredited school. Henley and Grenoble are European schools fully AACSB acredited. Henley is also AMBA accredited. I still don't understand why no American school (like TUI, Walden, Nova, etc) don't have AACSB accreditation. Are European schools better?!

 

henley being better than TUI or Nova? (can't speak about grenoble, since I don't really know the french écoles).
most certainly. different leagues.
cheers,
trigger

 

Are you sure Henley is better than TUI or Nova??? No American OL/DL schools can compete with British DL/OL schools???
Something is missing in this equation...

 

As far as I know, yes. Henley is an extremely well-known brick-and-mortar school that has some of the best business accreditations that exist that also does DL.
TUI and Nova are "just" regionally accredited mostly DL-schools that would also in the States count as good and solid schools, but surely not count as "first tier" universities.
Or am I wrong with my estimation?
(I'm always open to good arguments).

 

Things would be different if top-tier American business schools such as Harvard, Penn (Wharton), Yale, and Stanford offered doctoral programs through distance learning. But they don't, so those seeking AACSB-accredited schools in the US will have to content themselves with earning degrees through DL only up to the master's level (e.g., Duke U). For now, it's only non-American "prestige" schools (and there are lots of them) that offer DL programs through the doctoral level.

I think the US is so backward in its mentality toward distance learning, which is why there is no single AACSB-accredited distance learning business doctorate offered in the country.

 

IIRC, Aston U. in the UK is also AACSB.

 

Unfortunately all USA PhD DL students are playing in the second league...

 

In addition to Grenoble, Aston and Henley, there's also Manchester, a very fine university that offers an AACSB-accredited DBA via distance.

It appears that most top U.S. business school administrators and professors are operating under the self-imposed delusion that their PhD and DBA programs are so earth-shatteringly rigorous that there's no way they can be completed via distance, part-time, or in any other manner short of in person, 18 hours per day, bowing and scraping at the feet of the tenured faculty for 5 straight years.

I find this perfectly absurd and can vouch for having worked with and been closely acquainted with numerous people in business who work longer, harder and more efficiently than perhaps any professor or doctorate business student living. I think of my father back when I was a child; for years he worked the 8 hour night shift as a machinist for a railroad while simultaneously running two businesses: a Honda Motorcycle dealership (#1 in sales per capita in the Midwest one year) and a Kerr-McGee gas station. He nearly killed himself, and averaged Edisonesque sleep, but was only doing what thousands of other business people do.

And in the face of all this, I'm told by wine-sipping intellectuals that business PhD studies would saddle me or anyone else with far more than they could possibly handle, so much work that one could never work even part-time while studying, that one could not dream of taking even a modicum of classes via distance.

And of course, I think about the prestigious UK schools, many of whom have been around longer than most of these U.S. PhD programs, and I wonder, how ever are they doing precisely what the Americans claim is impossible?

I just have to laugh.

 

I've also heard that Strathclyde Business School in Glasgow is AACSB-accredited and has distance-based PhD and DBA programs in management science. Check out www.managementscience.org.

 

But - can you graduate?

I've been pretty interested in knowing more about the British DBA programs. A colleague of mine had considered some of them.

The question is - what is the graduation rate of folks in these programs? Does this NG have any graduates of the British or Australian doctoral programs in business?

Places like Nova have attrition, but it is mostly self inflicted. I'm not clear on the British and Australian programs. They certainly appear to be appealing - AACSB accredited, moderately priced and rigorous. But if your likelyhood of graduating is low - are these viable choices?

Regarsd - Andy

 

Re: But - can you graduate?

The Chronicle of Higher Education has had many articles on the high attrition rate in doctoral programs. This is a search I did on the topic: http://chronicle.com/cgi2-bin/texis/chronicle/search

I think it is one area potential doctoral students do NOT do a good job researching. As one of the articles pointed out, most doctoral students have had a great deal of success. Then, they get in a program where they are unhappy and/or the faculty are just plain ignoring them (happens OFTEN, by the way). They drop out and it is a significant blow to them that lasts years.

A few years back I was accepted to the Nebraska program but did not attend. Why? Nobody there could answer my questions about doctoral attrition rates. I just had a bad vibe from them on that. The "rule of thumb" estimate is about 50% wash out, quit, or are ignored or forced to quit. That figure lowers significantly for humanities doctorates! Now, Duqesne's Ed.D. in instructional technology folks address that attrition problem up front and say the problem is horrible. I found that very refreshing. I think people have to understand that a 3 year timetable for a doctorate is quite the exception nowadays, which is really quite stupid in my opinion. I teach with many who were strung out by their committees for 9 to 10 years. If you need a doctorate as a sort of union card to entry in a university, then you put up with it. As a tenured community college faculty, a doctorate would get me an $1,800 raise a year. For me personally, with three grad degrees under my belt, I love education. I may, just may, go for an MS in international relations from Troy. It has nothing to do with what I teach (computers) but I just like the field! That reminds me of another story I read in the Chronicle about how difficult it is for community college faculty like me to go to grad school. We are often treated like children instead of like colleagues. One of the nice things about ONLINE education is you don't have to put up with that crap you'd get in a face-to-face situation. I've done two online grad degrees and in both I was treated like an adult (Valdosta State Ed.S. and Morehead State MBA, if you are wondering).

The point I am trying to make is if you need a doctorate ask the questions! Ask about attrition. Don't put up with "we really don't track that." That is just nonsense. People in education track and assess EVERYTHING. The major problem with American doctoral programs is they turn on the spigot getting you IN but support may or may not be there when you need it the most.

 

Morehead State University

What did you think about Morehead State University? Was the MBA program hard? Was it project related?
Has anyone else attended that program?

 

In reply to Andy's comment about attrition rates in the UK programmes, the only research I'm aware of is the study I've already mentioned elsewhere about UK PhD completion rates. http://www.hefce.ac.uk/pubs/hefce/2005/05_02/

There was an overall completion rate for part-timers on all doctoral degrees of 34%.

For business, 345 part-time students matriculated in the year cohort studied, of whom 28% were awarded a PhD within 7 years. However, 57% of the cohort in business PhDs were reported as "still active" (they'd either completed or were still soldiering on).

Note that the above are national completion rates for the year studied. I'd expect Henley, Aston and Manchester, who all have pretty selective admissions, to be doing better.

Angela

 

Re: Morehead State University

Morehead State was a darn good program. It wasn't easy at all, but very doable. Keith Moore is the director and he helped me many times during the program running interference and what not.

 

Did you attend the program full time? How much time per week did it take?
Thanks again,

 

Doing a Morehead State U. MBA Online

After receiving an Ed.S. in instructional technology from Valdosta State online, I decided to do the MBA from Morehead State.

Based on past study, they waived some basic business courses for me. My program was 42 hours. I averaged two courses per term. One summer I took 9 hours, including two graduate economics courses which drove me absolutely nuts. After that, they limited students to only 6 hours in the summer. My last term I took 9 hours, but 3 of the hours was an independent study course I had essentially done during the summer with a professor I liked. It took me two years without breaks. Geez, how many hours per week... hmmm, I stayed on task until everything was done. I don't know 15 to 20 hours a week? Your mileage may vary.

Good luck. The contact there is Keith Moore. Get friendly with him.

 

I don't think you can really compare the AACSB-accredited schools like Henley, Manchester, Grenoble, etc., to the likes of TUI, Walden or Pheonix, etc.

The American schools are acutally for-profit businesses that, by and large, are unregulated. AACSB is not stupid. Putting the AACSB label on a school like Phoenix or TUI would be devaluing the AACSB brand.

Even regional accreditation in the US is starting to lose its meaning. That leaves professional accreditation, like AACSB, ABET, etc., as the hallmark of a real school.

 

Interesting. What is the basis for this statement? Or is this your opinion instead?

I don't recall in the literature where the "meaning" of regional accreditation is waning. I would look forward to reading such.

 

We have enough AACSB schools researching topics no one in the real world cares to read, employing instructors that have zero real world experience, and producing grads that feel their experience in school was far removed from the real world.

I thought the hallmark of a real school was teaching students and preparing them for the real world. Looks to me the AACSB schools are failing in that area.

Being one that wishes to learn from real world winners I am glad we have the non-AACSB schools.

I can back up my opinion:

How Business Schools Lost Their Way

http://harvardbusinessonline.hbsp.harvard.edu/b01/en/hbr/hbrsa/current/0506/hbrsaLogin.jhtml?ID=R0505F&_requestid=89499

http://www.businessweek.com/bschools/content/may2005/bs20050525_7954.htm


Now, let us see the source(s) of your claim RA is starting to lose its meaning.




Just my opinion