A St. Regis Valupack: Buy in Bulk

Who is laughing among these West African schools? We have a good record of relationships with a number of African institutions in Liberia and elsewhere. Perhaps they are aware that SRU is potentially a considerable competitor in their markets and seek to discredit it along with other online DL institutions.

If you want a list of schools that have said that they will accept SRU in principle, have a look at the list posted by Dr Brown on a.e.d. recently. That's the tip of the iceberg. Why won't you hear us naming further schools/evaluators here? Because we have only to do so and they are inundated by calls and emails from *consumer protection activists* spreading disinformation about SRU and threatening to report the schools to their accreditors for investigation. Not surprisingly, quite a few schools decide after that experience that accepting SRU credits isn't worth the hassle any more.

Tell you what though. Why not call a few schools and find out for yourself? You might be surprised by what you find. We reckon somewhere above 10% of RA schools will accept our credits in principle, putting us ahead of both the CA and WY approved sectors.

Wishing you all a very good night.

Regards,

Len.

 

It's too bad that someone with such obvious public relations talent wouldn't have got real qualifications and be working at a real school.

I am amazed, yes amazed, how the website offers degrees for dollars with no work and Len totally ignores it in selling his garbage.

Administrators - close to time to hit the shill-kill button??

 

Not sure what schools in West Africa where the ones laughing I wasn't there, but I have a highly reputable source.

Actually, I have no clue what tha A.E.D. is can someone please point in that direction. SRU has pestered my company for close to a year to do evaluation for their students and we won't. We have contacted several schools here in that states that told us they wouldn't except students from SRU. These being Texas A&M, the University of Texas, and several smaller schools.

 

Shill-Kill?

Though I do not necessarily agree with or support all of Len's commentary here, and I have strong suspicions that he may be in denial about what SRU is really all about let me say this...

The attitude displayed by the poster who recommends "killing the thread" or "shill-kill" is exactly the thing that is bad about this board and this site. Too often degreeinfo comes across like a defensive gang of sycophants when what is really needed is an honest discussion.

Like the rest of us are too stupid to figure out that SRU still "basically sucks" (not rocks) without the degreeinfo thought control police helping us think "right"?

I say let Len post and post and post. It is entertaining, informative, and revealing. And, dare I say it, possibly thought provoking?

 

For example.... who knew

that Hoyer was gone, and is now seen as a "bad guy" internally?

Not that this should be a surprise to those of us who know a bit about his background, but the fact that Len revealed this management shakeup is useful information to those of us who have been following the SRU story for a while now....

In fact, I've learned more about the corporate ownership and structure of NBOE and SRU in Len's posts just today than I have in the past 6 months of checking these guys out....

 

I agree with Carl. All Len has been doing here is answering the questions put to him. No reason to penalize anyone for that.

MRinger, here is the link to alt.education.distance:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=alt.education.distance

Here is Dr Brown's message to which Len refers:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Dr.Brown.re9dn%40email.onlinecollege.info

 

thanks, yet another forumn to take my time Gonna give that one a wide wide wide berth......

Interesting that none of the schools listed are in the US.

 

While it may be true that the actual accreditation may be the same between U of Liberia and SRU, there are other ways to tell the difference between a degree mill and a real school. The Liberia accreditation is not the only suspect government accreditation in the world, e.g., St. Kitts. One doesn't have to have sat on a RA review commitee to be able to tell the difference. When a degree is bestowed after only requiring substandard work then it is a degree mill.

In the past SRU sold degrees for little to no work. You claim that this was all in the past. It is only good sense on our part to require that you prove that it is true. As for myself, the best predicter of the future is the past. SRU was a degree mill in the past. It doesn't mean that it will always be in the future but the onus is on you to prove otherwise. It makes much more sense for the ODA and the rest of the world to assume that SRU will continue being a degree mill into the future. Should I believe someone that comes here making self serving promises or do I believe an independent third party (i.e., the ODA)? Sorry no contest, SRU is currently a degree mill, IMHO.

 

Another question for Dr. Len

Hi Len,
Since everyone else asks you questions, and you politely answer them, I thought I would ask you one too.

I've purused the SRU Alumni Message Board and have come away with the sinking feeling that most of the alum are very sad individuals who have convinced themselves, somehow, against all odds that the SRU program is actually legitimate and that they now need to fight to defend their well-earned "degree". One gets the sense that they are putting more energy into this battle than they would have done going to a traditional university and earning a degree the old fashioned way!!

I've also noticed that graduates who joined the board and sufficiently convinced themselves that somehow this is all legit have in some cases now become "professors" of SRU themselves. Getting in on the ground floor or something. Wow.

I hope you don't take offense at my tone - but this all seems like such a fantasy land you're living in to me. Can you please elaborate?

 

Len's posts have been totally and completely within the TOS for this forum. I can't imagine that they've even considered banning him. If they did I would be very disappointed. True that he's a shill for SRU. True that SRU is a degree mill. It's probably even true that others besides you may be frustrated by Len doing such an excellent job selling the degree mill.

That's just the way it goes sometimes. We can't solve all the worlds problems, at least not until one of us is elected supreme leader of the world. (Believe it or not I didn't even run for Califonia state governor and that's as close as I ever expect to get to being leader of the world.)

 

Re: For example.... who knew

Do we really know this? Or isn't it just as likely that Hoyer's past associations and the controversy surrounding the man led to an SRU/NBOE marketing decision to downplay his involvement?

That's assuming that what we are being told is true. I'm not sure that we can rely on that. I don't believe that St. Regis started out as a B&M college in Liberia, for one. I don't think that its current management and staff lives in that African country. My guess is that it's largely American, and Dominica and subsequently Liberia are just addresses of convenience maintained through local business agents. (I don't believe the stuff about SRU being involved in the Liberian negotiations either.)

What we have here is a rather slick marketing agent who admits some unflattering material that he knows we already are aware of (Hoyer's association with SRU, for example), believing that the damage is already done and hoping by so doing to create the illusion of candor. Then he uses Degreeinfo to present SRU/NBOE's new marketing apologetic, which may or may not have some resemblance to the truth.

 

Re: For example.... who knew

Personally, I would this implication with a BIG grain of salt. For example, Len stated that one of the owners of St. Regis was Thomas Carper. This is the same Thomas Carper, Ph.D., Ed.D. (isn’t it cool how everyone involved with St. Regis has more than one doctorate?) that is a Commissioner for the AGC. The Accreditation Governing Commission-USA (see here) is a bogus accreditor whose Chief Accrediting Commissioner is none other than Dr. Dr. Dr. Dr. Dr. (did I miss one or two?) Richard Hoyer.

If Hoyer is a bad guy, what does that make the rest of them?

 

Then why was my post on that forum, which simply stated that the site was owned by St Regis, deleted?

Nice story, but obviously complete b.s. to anyone who was monitoring that forum. When Dovelos post here, there were certainly a lot of people who went to view the site. But there were very few posts from anyone here. In fact, there was one post from someone named "Jay" which apparently question St Regis and Dovelos himself. It was quickly deleted. And then there was my post regarding the ownership of the site. And it was deleted. Some people were able to post a follow up and reposted my message, and there were a few posts asking why the original message had been deleted.

That's it. The site was then shut down. There was not a deluge of questions regarding St Regis. Everyone here knows that would have been futile, as the posts would have simply been deleted, and the posters slandered.

 

a question for len

Len,

One last chance here. Its not going to hurt one little bit for you to tell me (even in private) what agencies are doing evaluations for St. Regis Alumni. Quite honestly, I have no reason at this moment to believe you. All the schools that you pointed out to me are in Europe. I am currently in the process of asking them if they accept transfer students from St. Regis. I plan on posting those results here for those interested.

I promise that if you give me the names of the evaluation companies in private they will stay that way. I will not try to sway them (quite honestly there is nothing I can do to make them change their minds) I just need proof that your not the big hairy liar that I think you are.


michael

 

Jeff Hampton wrote:

> Nice story, but obviously complete b.s. to anyone who was
> monitoring that forum.

I think Len is being completely honest. They were caught on the hop; and there was clearly some internal dispute about how to moderate the forum, with John Dovelos advocating a less partisan-to-SRU approach to retaining messages than some other people. The less partisan approach prevailed for a few hours, which was why Moderator Seyed edited out the flames I had quoted here, and retained and addressed the ownership info when it was re-posted.

> There was not a deluge of questions regarding St Regis.
> Everyone here knows that would have been futile, as the posts
> would have simply been deleted, and the posters slandered.

I posted 3 questions there, in 3 separate messages. None was deleted. Responses were posted to all 3. The responses were not as informative as Len's here have been, and made some unwarranted assumptions about my intent; but I didn't feel slandered.

I'd be interested to know what happened in the last few minutes before the board was shut down. Anyone?

 

Education according to Richard Hoyer

http://www.geocities.com/st_elias_seminary/Hoyer.html


Note Myth 8 - Accrediting agencieswould pay money to Harvard and Yale to accredit them. Somebody should have told the New England Assoc that accredits them how lucky they are.

Disinformation is the game and it is played well.

 

Can an American email the embassy in Monrovia and ask what in fact is at these addresses. Canada has no embassy in Liberia, business is handled through Ivory Coast.

 

The lie continues, "Harvard and Yale are not accredited!" HAHAHA


Also, Dr. Dr. Dr. Dr. Hoyer forgot to put the source of all his degrees in his resume. HAHAHAHA

 

Len wrote:

> The branch campuses were set up by NBOE, which owns but
> does not accredit SRU

"Breyer State University is pleased to announce its affiliation with Saint Regis University, which is accredited by the National Board of Education, Inc."
http://www.breyerstate.com/regis.htm

"The International University is pleased to announce its affiliation with Saint Regis University, which is accredited by the National Board of Education, Inc."
http://www.internationaluniversity.edu/why.htm
http://securekc.com/why.htm

 

According to an earlier version of his site, two of the .Ds were obtained at Meridian U. and American Coastline U.