A race to the bottom?

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  1. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Trinity Newburgh: Favorite target of a certain PhD trucker we once knew. Eerie, mocking laughter could be heard in Indiana, as he drove past in his 18-wheeler. What a colorful path! Trinity of the Yellow Liverpool Stickers, Canterbury endorsements, Uni. of Wales validation, RA (not achieved) DEAC (not achieved) and finally, the auction block, as Dr. Bear reported.

    But Trinity still lives! (Accreditation-free, of course.) I was just looking at the site. Amazing what faith can accomplish, isn't it? :)
     
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  2. Garp

    Garp Well-Known Member

    They seemed to have frittered away opportunity. They had credible faculty attached, a campus, and perhaps a shot at accreditation. Their former VP (Frye ?) became a whistle blower about unsavoury internal practices and financial issues. If I recall correctly, he said part of their business model was predatory in that they got people signed up knowing that large numbers would drop out and they had the cash without a lot of work. In fact, he said they would have been in trouble in terms of resources being stretched had those students actually stayed.

    He made me laugh when he noted that the really bad Masters School of Divinity (not to be confused with The Masters Seminary) had low low standards at the time (bad). Trinity allegedly told the accreditor they were separate from Trinity. He said they told them this while the RA inspection team was wandering around the hallway past a room that Trinity was printing the Masters School of Divinity material.
     
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  3. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Yes - that famous letter killed their RA chances, right before the final site visit. Somebody leaked the letter quite a few years ago. Then there was DEAC... Now, they're uh- untroubled by accreditation issues :)
     
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  4. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Educated people might catch on to what they're up to.
     
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  5. Garp

    Garp Well-Known Member

    Their history of multiple failed attempts at accreditation alone are rather stigmatizing. I am not sure they can come back from it. Posting that you are unaccredited but taking the high road and known for decades for quality education is somewhat overshadowed by multiple failed accreditation attempts, loss of infrastructure and so on.
     
  6. Garp

    Garp Well-Known Member

    But then a lot of unaccredited institutions try the line, "Accreditation? Accreditation? We don't need no stinkin accreditation".
     
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  7. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    I once got the side-eye on another degree forum years ago - I quoted the original "We don't need no stinkin' badges etc." from the book, "Treasure of the Sierra Madre." - it contains VERY salacious Spanish and some profane English, both of which were censored-out of the movie. It's on this page if anyone is curious and wants to see it - I'm not going through THAT again. :) Some people thought it was mine - not a quote.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stinking_badges
     
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  8. Garp

    Garp Well-Known Member

    I did not know the whole quote! Love it. Fits better too.
     
  9. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    I suspect a lot of people believe the line originates not in the novel, not in the film, but in Blazing Saddles, where Mel Brooks' parody of the scene was so spot-on it became famous all on its own.
     
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  10. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    I just read the original line from the book. (Thanks for the link.) Let's just say that, having grown up just a few miles from Mexico, the language was, um, quite familiar. Yeah, familiar. We'll go with that.
     
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  11. Jonathan Whatley

    Jonathan Whatley Well-Known Member

    Another addition to the category RA schools seeking or retaining institutional NA as a "secondary" accreditation: Rochester University in Rochester Hills, MI – no relation to the University of Rochester in Rochester, NY – which is accredited with monitoring by HLC, is scheduled to receive a visit for evaluation for candidacy from TRACS this month. Rochester University is a B&M established in 1959 and affiliated with the Churches of Christ [Restoration movement]. (Unless the Rochester University TRACS is listing is another unrelated university sharing the name.)
     
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  12. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    John Oliver played video coverage of protests against
    Peña Nieto just before the last election. Huge crowds changing in unison "Peña Nieto! Ch***a a tu madre!". One tiny kid, maybe five, ran up to the Presidential limousine and chanted in his cute little kid voice.

    We think US politics are rude!
     
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  13. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    If I were an American, I'd have been chanting those same words at Trump's Limo - in my cute, feeble old-guy quavering voice. Waving my cane in a menacing fashion. They'd have put me in "Bernie Sanders jail," for sure.

    (Bernie was arrested once - at a civil rights demo, 1964. He was ultimately fined $25 for resisting arrest. Jail time - I think NOT)
     
  14. Dustin

    Dustin Well-Known Member

    The Sanders campaign sent me a sticker with this picture: https://www.chicagotribune.com/resizer/6glPYHSfMcoKKRFQImDZj1rXdrU=/800x0/filters:format(jpg):quality(70)/cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com/tronc/D6CYK6KCDVFZPMQU53NRJ4GN24.jpg
     
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  15. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Yes - there was a controversy over that pic. Someone claimed it was a pic of Bernie being arrested for throwing eggs at Black demonstrators. The pic is real but the claim wasn't. He was clearly on the side of Blacks - as the record of his activities and memberships in college showed.

    It's all here: https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-sanders-arrest-1964/false-claim-photograph-shows-bernie-sanders-being-arrested-for-throwing-eggs-at-black-protesters-in-1964-idUSKBN20R2JO/#:~

    From that source. " This claim is partly false. While the photograph shows Bernie Sanders getting arrested, it is not because he was throwing eggs at black protesters. He was there because of his civil rights activism. The year was 1963, not 1964."
     
  16. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    That picture does seem to be showing at least some minor resisting arrest.
     
  17. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Some minor? No. It wasn't. It was clearly Bernie, who was clearly an adult (22 in 1963) and he was clearly resisting arrest. He pleaded guilty to that charge and was fined $25. :) Clear enough?
     
  18. Dustin

    Dustin Well-Known Member

    He meant minor in terms of quantity. A bit of resisting arrest, for a treat :)
     
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  19. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Speaking of clarity, I think by "minor" what Bill meant is not that Sanders was under 18, but instead that he wasn't being cooperative, yet wasn't being overtly aggressive.
     
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  20. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    I knew that, Steve - and I'm surprised. I thought you'd see clearly that it was just a play on words - not meant to be dissertation-style serious. I diss people all the time, but not in the academic sense. I'm not one of "the chosen," i.e. Doctoral-level Scholars. :) That, I think, is clearly self-evident.

    @Xspect Maybe some day I will be a DNP. Doctor of Nigerian Pidgin. NA condition wey make crayfish bend. :)
     
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