3 Universites - 1 Degree - Fake?

Discussion in 'Online & DL Teaching' started by JasonMBA, Aug 30, 2018.

  1. JasonMBA

    JasonMBA New Member


    I have an MBA from a UK institution and would like to proceed towards a DBA.

    As I am working fulltime, I would like to keep it online/ distance education and not too costly.

    My research has led to this interesting top up DBA after a level 8 qualification on the European Credit Framework.


    It states that you can get a joint award issued by:

    1. Open University of Switzerland
    2. University of Dąbrowa Górnicza
    3. Taras National University

    I have checked the University of Dąbrowa Górnicza which appears to be a legitimate university.

    However, I am not convinced with respect to the Open University of Switzerland. My research showed that this is not a recognized university.

    And I am unsure about Taras National University. While it seems to be legitimate, there are sometimes little wordplay factors, which make you wake up after years of study only to realize that you have worked for nothing.

    As I live within the EU, these two universities wouldn't be of much importance to me though, as the University of Dąbrowa Górnicza is the only one within EU.

    My question is:
    • Does anybody know something about this degree?
    • Are the cooperating university really aware about what is being done?
    • Is the degree legit?
    Thanks for all input.

  2. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    We've been here before, Jason. Some reading for you:



    (1) University of Dąbrowa Górnicza is a real school, but it has about 60 cross-validation dual/triple degree schemes with other schools that don't necessarily have the same level of accreditation or equivalent. I worry about that.
    (2) Degrees of Taras Shevchenko National Open University do not inherit the same (or any) standing from the school to which it attaches itself (Taras Shevchenko National U.)
    (3) ABMS / Open U. of Switzerland (and all other Cantonally-authorized) degrees do not have mainstream Swiss Federation standing. i.e. legal but no institutional accreditation or equivalent. Some Cantonally-authorized schools offer programmatic accreditation (mostly for business programs) but that's not the same thing, when a degree is being assessed by an official credential evaluator.
    (4) From the previous discussion, I believe the same person may be proprietor of both ABMS and Taras Shevchenko National Open U. He is definitely involved with both to some degree.
    Last edited: Aug 30, 2018
  3. Steve Levicoff

    Steve Levicoff Well-Known Member

    Johann has provided great detail that should lead you to conclude that this trio of so=called schools is a sham.

    My answer is much simpler and applies to any situation and any school . . .

    If you feel compelled to ask yourself (or us) if a school, program, or degree is legit, it is not legit.

    If you feel compelled to ask yourself (or us) is a school, program, or degree is fraudulent, it is fraudulent.

    Works every time.
  4. JasonMBA

    JasonMBA New Member

    Thank you for the great resources @Johann . I will have a detailed look at these threads throughout the weekend. It is news to me that the degrees are given by the Taras Shevchenko National Open University. It states it is actually the Taras National University of Kiev. Also on a pic I found, the logo of the university looks like the real one: baltictimes.com/abms/wsb/taras__3_european_universities___1_triple_diploma__online_study_program_/

    @Steve Levicoff : True that. To be honest, the only thing that is disturbing me on the diploma is the logo of the "Open University of Switzerland". It it would have only the other two universities, I'd go for it.

    In my case, this would enable me to do the Level 8 diploma before actually doing the doctoral degree. So the actual teaching would be done by a different and definitely accredited provider. As it's only a top up DBA, this would mean, that I would only have to write the final dissertation for them, leading to the DBA.

    Unfortunately, there aren't many online/ distance DBAs available which are affordable.

    But I will read through the threads of Johann and hopefully get some insights.

    Thank you two for your input! :)
  5. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Oh sure - it's on the Internet, has to be true, right? Now read what our Ukrainian-Canadian expert, Stanislav had to say about that:

    I'd go with what Stanislav says - any day. He really knows his stuff, especially when it comes to Eastern Europe. That's all I have to say. If you want to continue looking for something - anything - that I'm pretty sure isn't there, go ahead. Bye.
    Last edited: Aug 30, 2018
  6. JasonMBA

    JasonMBA New Member

    It doesn't mention anything regarding the TSNOU anywhere. Where do you get the info from that the TSNOU is issuing the certificate?

    I also don't get your behaviour. I thanked you in a courteous manner for your information. No need for polemic behaviour.
  7. JasonMBA

    JasonMBA New Member

    So it's just branding, eh? It's probably better if I just check with the relevant universities than relying on hearsay. ;)
  8. Steve Levicoff

    Steve Levicoff Well-Known Member

    We specialize in polemic behavior (whatever that is). It is the price rookies like you pay to be privileged by our extensive experience, collective wisdom, and expertise beyond compare.
  9. JasonMBA

    JasonMBA New Member

    Thanks for your Pluralis Majestatis @Steve Levicoff

    From your post, it rather looks like you are trolling with not much to contribute.

    But thanks anyway. I will go the official route and ask the universities. As I think your "expertise" might rather rely on hearsay and self declared experts who gain attention by being extra rude on a forum.

    But thanks anyways.
  10. Steve Levicoff

    Steve Levicoff Well-Known Member

    Why do you remind me of the biblical king who failed to do his research and ended up sending his 1,000 troops against a neighboring king who had 10,000 troops?

    Never mind, Jason – that was a rhetorical question.

    Now, be a good boy and google my name. Unlike you and most folk around here, I actually use my full and real name on this forum. Click on the first link on your research result, and read my bio on WIkipedia (which, by the way, I did not write).

    Frankly, I’m delighted that you brought your question to DegreeInfo because we do, in fact, have some of the best experts in this field – Johann’s response is an example. But only a pompous buffoon who had to ask in the first place whether you can get one degree from three universities, then makes accusations against long-term members without checking them out, doesn’t deserve a doctorate. He lacks the critical thinking skills and diplomacy necessary for a degree designed to foster leadership in a field.,

    Reminder, son: You joined this forum today, and have posted a limited number of messages in only one thread. And now you’re giving attitude toward those who have more than paid their dues around here. There’s something that’s not right with that picture. You are the newbie around here, you are the one in uncharted territory (for you), and so far, you appear to be a rank amateur.

    And so, in all good humor, I laugh at you. I laugh at you again. I laugh at you for asking such a dumb question in the first place, I laugh at you for not doing your research, I laugh at your anonymity… Aw, hell, I just laugh at you.

    You’re the second newbie here today who took offense at humorous comments. Maybe you guys should get to know the Internet better, should not be overly sensitive, and should laugh at yourselves. Because I’m laughing at you. So, I bet, are a lot of other people. We laugh at you. We laugh at you again.

    Wow . . . I haven’t ranted at anyone here for quite a while. I had forgotten how much fun it can be.
  11. JasonMBA

    JasonMBA New Member

    May I just ask where your obvious frustration comes from?

    Your ridiculous comment doesn't make any sense, nor does it contribute anything productive. But it is very telling indeed about your character and this little power game you have going on in this forum. The newbie is supposed to suck up. Well, not with me, son.

    And from your Wikipedia article, which you are so darn proud of, I read that you were writing for evangelists and religious school. Now, sir, I am laughing at you! :D

    You are the typical sanctimonious tw*t that can be found in all these ridiculous religious groups all over the world. Now go and pray to your beardy Spaghetti monster for forgiveness. And hopefully one day you will be able to play the harp along with the little angels. Loser :emoji_laughing:
  12. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    A couple of months ago I was contacted by a Deputy Dean from the KNU Shevchenko (private message on this board). He said they stopped all collaboration with KNOU/Open University of Switzerland operator, and regret ever signing MOU with him. He said the Open University of Switzerland operator tried to threaten KNU in response.
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  13. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    P. S. Just to reiterate: KNOU degrees were never KNU degrees. KNOU itself admitted as much on their website.
  14. FTFaculty

    FTFaculty Well-Known Member

    JasonMBA is a true believer that somewhere, somehow, there is an oddball diploma mill in some backwater place that will enable him to turn his MBA into a doctorate with the effort of a dilettante and it will be accepted by all as legitimate, he will become "doctor". And he, this guy with an MBA and presumably some research skills under his belt adjudges validity of such institutions in part by how accurate the logo is on the website--really, Jason? In that sense, he is quaintly naive, like a small, wide-eyed, innocent child.

    On the other hand, when it comes to God, he has absolute certainty (that little fellow Jason living on a tiny speck of a planet in an inconsequential solar system of a commonplace galaxy) that a diety does NOT exist. Folks, he just KNOWS it. He KNOWS it with such certitude that when he finds someone who disagrees with him on another subject and discovers they evidently believe in a God, he can rail against them, speak of flying spaghetti monsters, by implication smear all who have such a belief as "ridiculous" and "losers" and rant of harps and such and throw a tantrum that would cause one to stare sharply at a three year old. And this from the fellow who a few posts before was speaking of another trolling and being excessively rude and calling into question their character based on their attitude? Really, Jason, really? I think you might learn something from that faith you mock, where that person you don't believe in spoke of hypocrites--maybe something you can learn there, just sayin.

    And by the way, from whence did this great knowledge come, this knowledge you have that there just is no deity, no creator, and you just KNOW it with certitude? Your highest degree, the MBA, perhaps? Funny, years and years ago when I got an MBA, the studies in finance and entrepreneurship, accounting and strategy didn't quite prepare me to state with certitude not only what exists in the universe, but what does NOT exist. That must be some education you have there--heck, man, you don't even need a doctorate, to make claims like yours in the manner in which you make them, you basically have god-like knowledge already.
    Last edited: Sep 4, 2018
  15. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Just realized: that web site operator (no doubt Prof. Al Souleiman himself) doesn't even know how to refer to schools the degrees "come" from. "Taras National University"? No one abbreviates Taras Shevchenko Kyiv National University as "Taras National University. That's equivalent of calling Leland Stanford Junior University "Leland Junior University". It's either Shevchenko University or perhaps University of Kyiv, or Kyiv National University (problematic on account of several other schools with words "Kyiv", "National", and "University" in official name - I went to one of these).
    Taras Shevchenko was a national poet of Ukraine. "Taras" alone is a relatively common Ukrainian first name. Referring to Shevchenko by first name is pretentious, and confusing outside of high rhetoric. I know at least two guys named Taras.
  16. Phdtobe

    Phdtobe Well-Known Member

    Good job DI and Stanislav! I was distressed that this venerable university was making such error. I hope KNU can return as itself under better condition.
  17. Phdtobe

    Phdtobe Well-Known Member

    It is less about being polemic, and more about initiation. DI is the right place for you. You will get your honor after completing your doctorate. Education is a big deal here; advice comes with attitude. Stick around.
  18. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Comes from the Greek "polemos" meaning war. As an adjective - warlike or belligerent. As a noun, a polemic is a sharp (warlike) verbal or written attack. The word came into English indirectly, through medieval Latin - and we learned the word about halfway through high school Latin classes. I always felt I learned more (and better) English in Latin class than I did in English class. But that was the 1950s...

    Nowadays, I remember Latin, but I can hardly speak English at all. My mother said I was born in England, but as B.B. King sang, "she could be jivin' too."
    Last edited: Sep 5, 2018
  19. FTFaculty

    FTFaculty Well-Known Member

    You sound just like my father-in-law, a retired professor who did the whole Latin thing back in the 50s. He's always telling you where this or that word came from, the etymology.
  20. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Etymology - that's bug-larnin' ain't it? Entomology - now, ain't that word larnin'? No? Oh shoot, I got 'em backwards agin!

    The best English teachers (several of them) I ever had knew Latin and Greek and had familiarity with Norman-era French, Anglo-Saxon and the Middle English of Chaucer's day. Latin forms the basis of about 65% of English vocabulary. Plus, if you know Latin grammar, you know grammar, period - and thereby have a framework to deal with many other languages.

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