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If Gore decides to run, he won't have any trouble getting the party nomination. The democrats learned their lesson in the last election, and won't be willing to give Kerry a second chance. Edwards doesn't have the experience. Hillary is too risky.

Gore won in 2000, I don't see why he can't do it again in 2008.

 

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If Gore had won he would be in the White House. Get over it, He did not win!

He was from the incumbent administration that presided over one of the greatest economic booms in history (even though he had nothing to do with it).

He was running against a draft dodging, spoiled frat boy who didn't have enough sense to tie his shoes (Their words, not mine).

Had he won his home state, FL wouldn't have been an issue.

If Mr. "no contolling legal authority" wants to run again...Please get out of his way and let him!

 

It's funny you say that. A couple of people said that to me recently. My sister, a moderate Republican, said that he gives her the creeps for some reason. I don't see it, but I guess you have to go with your gut.

On the upside, even if Santorum loses in the 2006 senate race (I don't think he will), it could be to the conservative Democrat Bob Casey, Jr. I will be pulling for Santorum, but if Casey pulls out a win, I won't be all that upset. I think Bob Casey, Sr. was a good man, and a good governor. His son also appears to be a decent guy.

Real Clear Politics (www.realclearpolitics.com) recently published the results of polls for possible Santorum match-ups. The only challeneger winning was Casey (by five), but it I think it is way too early for that to mean much. Here is a direct link to the Quinnipiac University poll: www.quinnipiac.edu/x11379.xml?ReleaseID=649

 

Both anomalies in the modern Democratic Party.

Pennsylvania seems to be a very mixed state. They've had the Scrantons, Scotts, Schweiker's, Heinz', Specters, and the Santorums and Casey's and, perhaps the worst governor in the history of the state, Milton Shapp!

 

No, I was referring to the blind sheeple who voted for a liar like John Kerry.

The election is over.

You lost.

Deal with it.

 

Oh waaa my dear donut eater. No matter what Kerry did or didn't do, he didn't weasel like GW and his pacemaker buddy Dick.


BTW: What is a sheeple?

 

Uncalled for.

 

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This is true, but do you not think that losing by an unprecedentedly close margin must eat him alive? Or the fact that if he had won NH, or that if Nader hadn't been in the picture that Gore may very well have been president? Or that if the US Supreme Court had ruled in his favor, he may have won? Or that the early calling of his visctory in Florida may have stopped democrats from going to the polls in the panhandle? Or the fact that he won the popular vote?

Plus, there are small issues that hurt him majorly. Like scoffing, smiling and shaking his head at Bush in the debates. If he had never done that, he may have become president easily. He tried to make Bush look like a joke, but instead he made himself look arrogant, and could easily have turned a few hundred voters.

I think that these facts must burn inside of him every day of his life. I think that Gore must look at himself in the mirror and think that the presidency was a hair away and he didn't get it. He looked past Bush and got beat.

One reason why I don't think he ran in 2004 was because I think a second loss would have killed him.

Thus, I think he takes this personally, and it has changed him and his demeanor. I think that if he ran again 2008, he would be out for blood against everyone-the Clintons, the media, fellow democrats, and the republicans.

This brings me back to my orignal point. Another run by Gore would be interesting, and entertaining!

 

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This is true, but do you not think that losing by an unprecedentedly close margin must eat him alive? Or the fact that if he had won NH, or that if Nader hadn't been in the picture that Gore may very well have been president? Or that if the US Supreme Court had ruled in his favor, he may have won? Or that the early calling of his visctory in Florida may have stopped democrats from going to the polls in the panhandle? Or the fact that he won the popular vote?

Plus, there are small issues that hurt him majorly. Like scoffing, smiling and shaking his head at Bush in the debates. If he had never done that, he may have become president easily. He tried to make Bush look like a joke, but instead he made himself look arrogant, and could easily have turned a few hundred voters.

I think that these facts must burn inside of him every day of his life. I think that Gore must look at himself in the mirror and think that the presidency was a hair away and he didn't get it. He looked past Bush and got beat.

One reason why I don't think he ran in 2004 was because I think a second loss would have killed him.

Thus, I think he takes this personally, and it has changed him and his demeanor. I think that if he ran again 2008, he would be out for blood against everyone-the Clintons, the media, fellow democrats, and the republicans.

This brings me back to my orignal point. Another run by Gore would be interesting, and entertaining!

 

The reason Gore is not in the White House, is because the supreme court (who happens to have a republican majority) decided who our next president would be in 2000. If they would have allowed a fair recount in FL, I would have fully accepted the outcome.

Right, he had nothing to do with it. Just like Bush has nothing to do with our Economy being the the worst it's been since the Hoover Administration.

I agree with you on this, the only bigger draft dodger I know of is our very own Vice-President Cheney, who got a total of 5 deferments.

I will admit that Gore made some mistakes in his 2000 campaign, but he did well considering the circumstances.

 

NO NO NO.
I consider myself pretty fair because I used to like the guy, voted from him in the primary in 88.
Gore ran a simply awful race. He came across as so robotic, did not attach himself enough to the Clinton economy, and so many organizational problems from the sources I read on politics1, and so forth.
Yes more people intended to vote for gore in florida and he should have won but to say he ran a good race.......
BH

 

Nobody is saying Gore ran a good race. What I meant was considering all the mistakes he made, he still managed to get the popular vote. Which still counts for something.

He distanced himself from Clinton, and ran on his own merit. Some people will argue that this hurt him, some will say that it made no difference. It also didn't help that he picked a poor VP candidate. If Gore had the opportunity to do it all over again, I imagine that there are a few things he would do differently. He might get that second chance in 2008.

I heard that he is planning on launching a new Cable Television Network(INdTV) sometime this year, aimed at younger audiences. It's supposed to be available in close to 20 million households in the US. This could be a good outlet to connect with a new segment of potential voters.

 

Gore is not in the White House because of the Constitution. There have been numerous recounts in FL, both official and unofficial. None have found that Gore won.

Democrats talk about 2000 the same way Cub fans talk about 2003 and the "Bartman incident". They both lost, they both blame it someone else, and neither will ever get over it.

Agreed. The recession started under Clinton.

Gore went as a journalist and he had a bodyguard.

Why was military service not an issue for you guys in '92 and '96?

What circumstances? As I addressed in my previous post, he did incredibly poorly considering everything he had going for him.

 

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...and if my aunt had nuts she'd be my uncle.

I'm sure he does wake-up every morning with a knot in his stomach. But that's only because he's under the mistaken impression that he's a force in the Democratic party. The only reason he even ran in 2000 is because Clinton picked him for veep in '92. It was just the natural line of succession.

The fact is he should have destroyed Bush, and he didn't. The guy's a doofus. He's a social imbecile. He can't have an unscripted conversation with anyone. He speeks to people as if they were 6 years old. He tries to spin his yarns with a straight face in Clinton fashion, but he can't pull it off.

He hasn't won an election on his own since when, '88 or '90...and even those were on his daddy's coattails.

I doubt that he'll ever win another one.

But as a loyal Republican, I pray that the Dems continue to implode and nominate him in '08.

 

You gotta be kidding me. They better be really young! Mothers could put there infants in front of the TV for instant nap time.

I bet more people watch that video loop of a burning fireplace than will watch this network.

I'm chuckling and shaking my head as I write this...but I cannot fathom why anyone would, party affiliation aside, connect with this stick figure on any level.

 

"Gore is not in the White House because of the Constitution. There have been numerous recounts in FL, both official and unofficial. None have found that Gore won.

Democrats talk about 2000 the same way Cub fans talk about 2003 and the "Bartman incident". They both lost, they both blame it someone else, and neither will ever get over it."


To this date there has never been an official recount showing Bush as the winner. If there was why would the supreme court have a reason to halt the recounts? However, there have been unofficial recounts that have shown Gore as the winner and other ones that have Bush the winner. It would seem logical to have one official recount to find out who the real winner is, unfortunately partisan politics doesn't operate that way.


"Agreed. The recession started under Clinton."


And the economic boom started under Clinton as well. It lasted for the better part of his 2 terms in office, so I would say that he had something to do with it. Bush on the otherhand has done nothing to try to turn the current economic situation around.



"Gore went as a journalist and he had a bodyguard.

Why was military service not an issue for you guys in '92 and '96?"


A journalist is a military occupation. Gore enlisted went to vietnam and served his time. I can't say the same for Bush or Cheney.

 

Nearly every unofficial recount has shown Bush to be the winner. Sure you can find one or two that give it to Gore. You can also find a few people who've been abducted by aliens.

The original OFFICIAL count showed Bush as the winner. There is no need to discuss Florida, or Bartman any longer.

Again, if I may...how can Gore complain about FL when he can't even win TN?

What world do you live in? The economy is going nuts right now. I just read that there was a net gain of 146,000 jobs in January and the unemployment rate dropped to 5.2%

Most economist agree that Bush's tax cuts contributed to the turnaround of the economy.

I agree that Bill contributed to the economic boom of the 90s...Gates, not Clinton.

Again I ask, why was this not an issue in '92 and '96?

 

Not necessarily EVERY recount. The University of Chicago counted the ballots unofficially in Niovember of 2001, and used 6 agreed upon methods. In 3 cases, Bush won, in 3 other cases Gore won, but Gore always won by an incredibly small number (50 votes or so). What Gore didn't want, was a recount of votes in all counties. If this was done, he may have won by a few dozen votes. And you are right, there have been NUMEROUS other studies, but most have been partisan both on the left and right. But in most cases, yes, Bush won.

I agree that there is no reason to dispute the winner anymore. Even if it turned out in some bizarro world conspiracy that Bush cheated or something to win FL, what good would it do Gore? However, simply for historical and political marvel, the 2000 election was amazing. It was so close that whoever the winner would be would have major national issues to deal with. If Gore had gained a few hundred more votes, or had won NH, then Bush would have faded into obscurity back to Texas. The world would have been completely different.

Ummm.... Because there was no major war???

Now I'm not saying that I'm going to be voting for Gore (I didn't before) but what I am saying is that a second run would be fascinating. I would suspect that a win by Gore would be like a rebirth for him, while a second close loss would destroy him to the point that it could put him an early grave -- I think the first loss took a few years off of his life anyway.

I can't wait until 2008, and see what happens.

 

I liked Gore in '88. He was more real and honest then. I still remember the best line of the Democratic debates then.

Jesse Jackson referred to himself as the "Southern candidate," and Gore shot back, "Yea, South Chicago."

 

An unofficial partisan recount is essentially worthless. With all the ballot discrepancies back in 2000, I think the FL voters deserved a fair official recount in a race that close.

Companies almost always do more hiring at the beginning of the year (Jan/Feb), this is nothing new. A net gain of 146,000 jobs in Jan. is far from "going nuts." Economists say the economic growth has actually been slower than expected.

Clinton had a legitimate reason to seek a deferment. At the time he was a Rhodes Scholar and a straight A student. Incidentally he would later withdraw his deferment, but he never got drafted because of a high lottery number.

Cheney on the other hand, a former 2 time college dropout, "having been in a couple of scrapes with the law" (Cheney's words) seemed like prime draft material. It was clear that he deliberately avoided the draft on many occasions. This coupled with Bush's less than stellar record might be why the issue was raised in the last 2 elections.