2 year phd

Discussion in 'Business and MBA degrees' started by maverick3934, May 25, 2014.

  1. maverick3934

    maverick3934 New Member

    Anyone know of a 2/3 year phd? Have my masters so am looking to go into teaching as I was laid off and can't get a job. Thought of unisa? Can anyone recommend something business or finance related?

    Thank you

    TEKMAN Semper Fi!

    I don't think it is possible to complete a Ph.D in 2 years.
  3. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    You have your master's in what and are looking for a doctorate in what?
  4. Tireman 44444

    Tireman 44444 Well-Known Member

    Well if you are speaking of UNISA, July 2014 makes year 5 for me, so the "two" year PhD did not work for me. I cannot speak for others.....
  5. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Heck, by some accounts it seems that with UNISA's bureaucracy it can take two years just to get started....
  6. Tireman 44444

    Tireman 44444 Well-Known Member

    Yep. I forgot about that. It took me almost two years to get in. :)
  7. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    I don't care about time-in-program. Instead, I want to know:

    a) Does the candidate demonstrate mastery of his/her field of study? This is normally done through the curricular component and (sometimes) comprehensive exams, and

    b) Has the candidate produced a work (dissertation here, thesis elsewhere) that is comparable to those expected of doctoral graduates?

    NB: When Union first started its PhD, it had a 12-month minimum. It was designed to accommodate prior learning and, thus, for man students the only new work was the PDE (dissertation). Later, Union required all students to do a complete PhD from scratch, no matter what prior learning they had. (They acknowledged prior learning and built upon it, but all the work for the PhD had to be new work.) Thus, it moved to a 2-year minimum. Steve Levicoff did it in the minimum, and he certainly isn't the only one. When Union ran afoul of the Ohio Board of Regents, the OBR required Union to go to a 3-year minimum, even though the program wasn't expanded. This made no sense andragogically, but the OBR was no friend of nontraditional higher education and had a particular heartburn regarding Union. So, 3 years.
  8. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    Any fries with that? Join the club of the many people that have joined the forum that want the cheapest, fastest and still prestigious enough doctorate that can get me a tenure track in a business school that is preferably located in a metro area and pay me in the 100K starting range.

    Use simple logic, if this was possible, no student would bother to take those annoying 5 year full time programs that require those inconvenient GMATs and publications.

    Most credible business schools normally require publications in ranked journals. Any ranked journal would take between 2 to 3 years to get published after an initial submission so expect 4 to 5 years to get some credible publications in your resume.

    There might be some schools out there that can offer you a PhD in Business in two years but good luck using it for a tenure track position.
  9. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    It's not a PhD, but the DBH from Arizona State University can be completed in 18 months.
  10. maverick3934

    maverick3934 New Member

    not looking for prestigious

    I'm just looking for probably a south african school not UNISA as 2 years to get a response lol - field would be business administration / general management. I don't care about prestigious, just want to have more opportunities in the future both teaching / job. This is in my opinion the worst job market in the last 15 years.
  11. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    What you're seemingly not accepting here is that the course of action you propose is not likely to lead to more teaching or job opportunities.
  12. maverick3934

    maverick3934 New Member

    I don't see how it wouldn't? I've read south african phd's are well looked upon. And at this point theres not much to do to make myself look more job worthy except getting a more advanced degree. I'm willing to put 2-2.5 years in to this goal.
  13. anngriffin777

    anngriffin777 New Member

    Baker College has a 3 year DBA program (Doctorate of Business Administration). I believe NorthCentral University may also have what you are looking for. Check it out.
  14. anngriffin777

    anngriffin777 New Member

    Baker College 3 year Doctorate of Business Administration

    Here is some information:wiggle:

    Website: Doctorate of Business Administration | Baker College

    Doctorate of Business Administration
    The Doctor of Business Administration is structured as a three-year, 90 quarter credit program. This program:
    • Blends taught interdisciplinary content and research seminars with assessed scholarly and professional development activities organized around two portfolios — the Scholarly Activities Portfolio and the Professional Activities Portfolio.
    • Culminates in a research-based dissertation focused on a real problem that faces today’s business leaders and managers.
    • Enables you, over time, to work independently and in more depth — moving from prescribed content in the first year of the program, to supervised scholarly activities in the second year, to independent research focused on your chosen area of interest in the third year.
    • You may choose from five areas of specialization or design your own specialized field of study.
  15. maverick3934

    maverick3934 New Member

    Thank you. I'm looking for however something that is mostly thesis based. Any ideas?
  16. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    You have a point here. If the OP cannot find a teaching job with his Master's, a low profile Doctorate from a no name school will not do much in a competitive market.
    I understand that the OP wants to get a teaching job as soon as possible with little or no budget and with little effort. If budget and time is an issue, instead of wasting resources in a no name doctorate, I would invest in a credential that can make me more marketeable in the teaching market and also in industry. An MBA with a CPA with have less difficulty finding a teaching job than a general MBA with a DBA from NCU or Baker College. The same can be said about other credentials such as CFA, PMP, etc.
  17. Ian Anderson

    Ian Anderson Active Member

    I hate to say this but I suspect your chances of landing a non-academic job with a masters degree is higher than landing one with a PhD.
  18. Shawn Ambrose

    Shawn Ambrose New Member

    Let me weigh in here...

    For the OP. I have a doctorate from Capella, serve as an Alumni Ambassador for Capella, and am in a tenure-track position at a small private university in the Midwest. My position is 1/2-time teaching and 1/2-time administrative. My administrative position is the Director for Undergraduate Studies for the business school...and I see many CV's. Our business school is accredited by ACBSP.

    I can't begin to count how many CV's I reviewed (both as an alumni ambassador and for job applications) that go something like this:


    PhD/DBA - School X

    MBA - School Y

    BA/BS - School Z

    Courses Completed

    Put your list here


    List your jobs here

    In the above CV, the candidate has no teaching/corporate training experience.

    If you want a job in Higher Ed, keep in mind that Accounting/Finance are the business fields that are highest in demand; but a PhD in those fields without experience isn't going to help either.

    For instance, we hired for a full-time accounting position last year one of our adjunct faculty who had a BS - Accounting with a CPA, over people who had MS degrees in Accounting with little to no experience. Now, this person has to earn an MBA within a certain time frame; but my point is the person we hired had extensive industry experience, a CPA, and was an adjunct teacher for several years.

    Getting a full-time position in academia is difficult. A PhD alone will not open that door.
  19. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    I would like to add that you need to factor in other variables such as distance, low profile, foreign etc.
    I also work as a full time faculty in Canada and part of my job is to hire part time faculty. Last month we got a guy with two PhDs in Statistics from top schools (one American and one European) that has been struggling to find a full time faculty position so was applying for a part time job in our business faculty. We hired the guy over people with low profile PhDs and little teaching experience as this guy also had many long years of teaching experience and publications in top journals.
    This just to say that competition is fierce in academia, it amazes me the amount of people that want to spare a couple of thousand bucks (for a degree in SA) and spend a couple of years part time to switch into Academia while you have people that have made the commitment over many years to become a professor but have been unable to do this due to lack of opportunities.
    In few words, you cannot become an overnight academic in two years while working in your PJs at home and by sparing the few thousand that were meant for a vacation but decided to put it in a PhD to become a business professor.
  20. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    When I began working as an online adjunct at a for-profit university in 2008, hiring adjuncts with Masters degrees was commonplace. But about a year ago, the requirement was changed to a doctorate in the discipline to be taught. Masters degrees are no longer considered, even with industry experience. They also began hiring more full-time faculty, instead of relying primarily on part-time adjuncts.

    Education is an industry.

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