18-month doctorate with no dissertation

Discussion in 'Nursing and medical-related degrees' started by sanantone, Jun 28, 2013.

  1. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member

    Most research doctorates require 30 semester hours (or 45 quarter hours) of dissertation.
  2. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    Well, then, that makes the difference even greater. The programs I've been looking at require less, but still a lot more than ASU's program.
  3. ebbwvale

    ebbwvale Member

    It looks like a professional Doctorate that is often programmed in Australia. This is regarded here as being below a PhD in status but is still a worthy Doctorate focused on industry, not academia. Most are completed here by doing the project phase on a work based issue so a lot can be done at work with the employer's consent. Having the employer involved seems to be a key issue here for success.

    Universities here are trying to build relevancy to the workplace for marketing and funding issues. This is a way to do it with everybody getting a win. Bringing the workplace into the equation may shorten the duration because the student is actually doing something at work that can be applied to the degree. The question may be about the ownership of the intellectual property developed in the project or disclosure of negative information to third parties, but I am sure that this would be worked out beforehand. Employers here like to own the intellectual property before they agree to it in many cases. Competitive advantage is a key word.
  4. novadar

    novadar Member

  5. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    No one said that.
    Everything? Really? "Everything" is a pretty big notion, especially given the amount of factual information offered and supported on this thread.

    Good luck with your program.
  6. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Where? I've looked around a lot, and I've seen 12 and I've seen 18, but I've never seen 30.
  7. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Seems a bit high to me, too. My experience is consistent with Steve's.
  8. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    What facts? The fact is that people ARE finishing this program within 2 years. The fact is that the applied research project is NOT as involved as the typical dissertation. If it were, it wouldn't be 5 credit hours and people wouldn't be finishing within 2 years. I'm not applying to the program. It's too expensive for me.
  9. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    You're not applying? But you're the OP. You're the one who expressed interest in this thing in the first place. Oh, my.
  10. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    I'm just informing others that the option exists.
  11. siersema

    siersema Active Member

    I looked at this a while back. Seems like a very interesting program. If I recall correctly it was around $60k and took six+ years to complete.

  12. mattiberry85

    mattiberry85 New Member

    To me if it's not medical, it's not a professional doctorate- and that would be incorrect.
  13. cookderosa

    cookderosa Resident Chef

    So when an employer asks about your dissertation? Awkward.
  14. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    I've held the PhD for 11 years. No employer has ever asked.
  15. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Nope. Three kinds of doctorates:

    1. Academic. The program and resulting original research is based in the academic discipline's scholarly work and theories. Normally the PhD, in some systems (like in the U.S.), it can also result in some alternative titles (like the DBA or EdD).

    2. Professional. The program and resulting original research is based in the discipline's practice. It also accommodates the discipline's scholarly work and theories, but is practice-oriented. The title awarded is almost always an alternative to the PhD.

    3. First Professional. This is actually not a type of doctorate. Instead, it is the degree that qualifies one to enter a particular profession. In times past, that might not be a doctorate (like the LLB for lawyers or the BPharm for pharmacists). But these days, almost all these programs result in a doctorate. These doctorates are practice-oriented and do not result in original research. In these professions, the title "doctor" is almost never used in the practice (except for physicians and some para-medicals like chiropractics and optometrists). In the medical field, the term "doctor" is more a result of that person's admission to the profession, rather than the degree conferred.
  16. CalDog

    CalDog New Member

    In times present, the engineering community still applies the term "first professional degree" to ABET-accredited BS degrees, which are licensure qualifying. Same is true in architecture with NAAB-accredited BArch degrees. They are distinguished from non-ABET or non-NAAB bachelor's degrees in engineering or architecture, which also exist but which are not considered "first professional degrees".
  17. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Very nice examples!
  18. CalDog

    CalDog New Member

    I expect there are other fields where undergraduate degrees are still regarded as the "first professional degrees". For example, the Bachelor of Science in Nursing (BSN) is often described that way, as it is here:

  19. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member

    The Doctor of Medicine degree is a first professional degree, not a professional doctorate.
  20. TMW2009

    TMW2009 New Member

    Resurrecting this thread; One of my fellow students in my Psychotherapy course at UC is currently in the defense portion of his culminating project at ASU for the DBH. He's actually pursuing a PhD in Psychology through UC - go figure. If anyone's interested, I'll see if I can get his POV about the program, how long it took him, course load, so on, and so forth.

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