10 Day MBA Course

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  1. MaceWindu

    MaceWindu Active Member

    UGC warns against fake online programmes; flags 10-day MBA course

    “The University Grants Commission (UGC) has warned the public against fake online programmes with abbreviations similar to recognised degree nomenclature, officials said, flagging a particular "10-day MBA" course.”


    ”A list of recognised higher education institutions to offer online programmes and of permitted online programmes is available on deb.ugc.ac.in.”
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  2. Mac Juli

    Mac Juli Well-Known Member

    Meanwhile on udemy... https://www.udemy.com/course/dba-doctor-of-business-administration-full-course/?couponCode=LETSLEARNNOWPP
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  3. Michigan68

    Michigan68 Active Member

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  4. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Right. Indian English often follows unorthodox paths. I'm guessing Mr. Raj may possibly have a Master's in Sensitivity Training - but you never know... :) One of the better Indian Universities is "Lovely Professional University." A fully accredited school, "Lovely U." prides itself on creating a positive, welcoming and hassle-free environment for women students - to a degree that's considerably beyond the usual in that country.

    A poster on DI commented "Lovely Professional University? Well, at least they didn't call it Sexy Professional University."
    He had a point. Non-standard Indian English is weird - but not without its charm. I'm fine with it.

    We have a car lot "Lovely Motor Sales" here in town. And yes - it's Indo-Canadian owned. :) I wanted a Tata or a Maruti, but all they had were Chevys, Fords etc. :) Good place, anyway. They'll do fine.
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  5. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    India has more English speakers than any other country - except US. Over 128 million Native speakers.. Pakistan next door has 108 million Native speakers. Many millions more at Level 2.
  6. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    You know what frustrates me? How traditional academia so largely ignores all this flim-flam. Proprio, diploma mills, misleading credential titles, and the rest of this stuff on the fringes. Don't these universities (around the world) realize how badly this stuff damages their brand? Their product?

    Degrees are proxies. They speak on their holders' behalf, attesting to their knowledge, skills, and even values. But this other stuff introduces doubt, mistrust even. After decades of explosive growth--Diplomaism, really--we're seeing a lot of organizations remove degree requirements from their job listings. If I was the Emperor of Education, I'd be worried about being toppled in a coup d'état, replaced with an entirely new system a la the Romanovs. Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the People's Qualification Framework. Students of the world, unite!
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  7. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Looked again. Maybe this is NOT eccentric English. Google Master of Sensuality and you get quite a few hits, including our friend Raj. He's a Udemy guy apparently, which puts me off. And I think his calling all his courses "degrees" is unjustified.

    Anyway, I found this site. Sensuality is Part IV of a course called "The Master's Life." Cloud class - $195 Maybe this is what Raj took and he's calling it a Master's degree. I have no idea. See what you think....

    https://store.crimsoncircle.com/the-masters-life-part-4-sensuality.html If Raj IS calling this a degree, then it's plain bafflegab, just like the "degrees" he teaches. Degrees in his mind.

    As for Raj - no. I've been VERY disappointed in Udemy. No big money lost but --- I can do better elsewhere.
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  8. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    So would I. They shot the Romanovs, Rich. That was the beginning of how we ended up with Vladimir Putin. I'd hate to see a V. Putin of Higher Ed.
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  9. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    This is list of things that do not belong in a single category. Titulo propio programs are common in several country's systems, and they exist only at the sufferance of official universities. They do not belong in the same list as mills.
  10. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Maybe not - unless they start giving them out for one ticky-box multiple-guess test, like the famous Spanish MBA school. Then - yeah, I'd give 'em a side-eye they wouldn't forget - ever! An Evil-Eye Fleagle Double-Whammy!

    Propios definitely do not belong on the same list as approved degrees of recognized institutions.
    I suppose if you reduce everything to two lists, mills and propios DO belong on the same list. -

    (1) Authority-Approved degrees of recognized institutions
    (2) Everything else.

    Some folks like this method. They believe in a fundamental difference - good and bad. Two lists suffice, for them. I'm not arguing with that. If it works for them, fine. Chacun à son goût.
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  11. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Yeah, they do. These degrees are awarded outside the systems' approval processes.

    Steve Levicoff liked assert a distinction between diploma mills and degree mills. I felt all this stuff was substandard and the distinctions between them did not represent real differences. Sifting through it all is like grading piles of garbage.
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  12. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Okay. It sold books.
    Steve Levicoff was one - his take was "RA or the Highway." Worked for him, anyway... To each his own.
    It sure is. So why do it? After nearly 20 years on degree forums --- I have no earthly idea. But I do it anyway. I'll probably do it from the Great Beyond. :)
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  13. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    The vast majority of activity on this board is NOT engaged in attempting to make these distinctions. There are so many other wonderful activities on this board. It just gets tiresome to read all the rationalizations for getting a degree that isn't really--or quite--a degree. As I said, parsing the distinctions do not create material differences.

    Because I go back to the late 1970s in this field, I can remember a time when you could make a case for earning an unaccredited degree--especially a graduate degree. There were so few accredited options available. And some very good schools were simply shut out of the accreditation game because of their nontraditional content or delivery. But that simply isn't the case anymore, something I certainly don't need to explain. So, the proprios, the Swiss Cantons, the Caribbean whatevers, the go-to-one-school-and get-a-degree-from-anothers, it's all so unnecessary.

    Being a fan of the nontraditional, the innovative, and the underdog, I used to be open to almost all alternative pathways to degrees. I didn't change, but the times sure did. In a world where SCUPS (SCUPS!) becomes CSU and not only gets DEAC accreditation, it goes on to RA, is it really necessary to get a degree from a some operation with a website in Elbonia?
  14. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    I take it that's a typo, Rich - and you mean Albania, not Elbonia. Here's your answer:
    Kjo sepse Universitetet Shqiptare ofrojnë diploma me cilësi të lartë. (It's because Albanian Universities offer high quality degrees.) :)
  15. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    No. I sincerely meant Elbonia.
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  16. tadj

    tadj Well-Known Member

  17. tadj

    tadj Well-Known Member

    Prominent representatives of “traditional academia” frequently express their frustration with diploma mills. Here’s where they often locate them: “The most significant shift in higher education over the past two decades has been the emergence of for-profit colleges and universities. These online and storefront institutions lure students with promises of fast degrees and “guaranteed” job placement, but what they deliver is often something quite different. In this provocative history of for-profit higher education, historian and educational researcher A. J. Angulo tells the remarkable and often sordid story of these “diploma mills,” which target low-income and nontraditional students while scooping up a disproportionate amount of federal student aid.” (Diploma Mills: How For-Profit Colleges Stiffed Students, Taxpayers, and the American Dream by A.J. Angulo, a professor at University of Massachusetts Lowell). Should we heed the voice of traditional academia?

    Personally, I don’t understand how a non-government accredited professional training program tarnishes a university brand. Is a typical American university’s brand damaged by its offer of non-accredited continuing education qualifications for professionals? The propio degrees are also a form of continuing education, but in a degree format, which is not something that's available in the States. The students who attend Spanish universities learn about the limitations of these type of degree programs. They don’t provide admission to doctoral degree programs. There are also limitations of terms of public service employment and other disclosed issues.
  18. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Oh... right. Sorry. In that case -- my Elbonian language skills are limited to WALLA-WALLA-WALLA-WALLA-WALLA!!! :)
  19. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    And that's precisely why they don't evaluate very well in N. America, a fact which severely limits their utility here. A propio evaluated (by a legit source) as a mainstream, fully-accredited master's degree here is almost freakishly rare. They get evaluated as anything from a grad cert to an unaccredited degree.

    If you NEED a degree that will evaluate well enough for you to use in the job market --- don't get a propio. It's a crapshoot. Unless a lot changes, in the practices of (legit) evaluators. If you simply want a degree-looking paper to bolster your sense of accomplishment -- that's a different thing. I'm not against propios - I'm just against the idea of people gambling that a propio will weigh in at any where near the poundage of a regular accredited degree, here.

    Propios are NOT like gazpacho. That's good anywhere. Propios are well understood in Spain. They don't have to be evaluated. Everybody is familiar with them. Not so, here. This is not gonna change overnight -- or likely in a generation.
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  20. tadj

    tadj Well-Known Member

    I would agree that if you specifically need a degree that will be seen as equivalent to a Canadian or American degree, you may want to look elsewhere due to the nature of this degree. The question is: what do you need this evaluation for? To be employed in some company? It may not even be necessary for that purpose. And if it becomes necessary, you can present a graduate certificate equivalency underneath your MBA or Master degree title. Numerous success stories with employers have been posted on the sister board, so it doesn't look like it presents some massive difficulties.
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