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My goodness, another thread that has gone off the rails.

 

Females in the "boy" scouts were their death nail... They are barely existing now. My boys balked at joining the local troops because it had girl's. No matter how progressive people want to get kids will be kids and young boys don't want to hang out with girls. They won't exist in five years.

 

Your loss. Make sure you stay clear of my scouts with this rant.

P. S. BSA has so many problems, but accepting females ain't one of them.

 

It's not a rant, and the boy scouts are basically dead in the water and their strong hold of membership in the South was destroyed by the rule change. But that's ok, I believe there shouldn't be different sports gender categories either. My opinion doesn't override reality of biology, but I truly believe that we need to remove all gender labels... bathrooms also. People shouldn't get to pick and chose what rules get broken and which norms stay in place. Seems fairer that way. Time to actually embrace feminism and not just the parts that feel good true equality!

 

The Girl Scouts is such a better organization, I'm surprised any girls would want to join with the Boy Scouts.

 

Different program. Their membership is not swelling either.

 

I saw my girl advancing all the way to Eagle and another one currently at Star Rank. I've been a Merit Badge Councelor and a Unit Advancement Chair. I've been to Woodbadge and the Order of the Arrow Ordeal. I have read the Guide to Advancement, all the rank requirements, and the Scout handbook. I have yet to encounter one single skill that requires having a penis to succeed.

Also, if you think that the culprit of BSAs woes is adding girl troops in 2019 - and not COVID or the sexual abuse settlement - you are delusional. And give the South less credit than it deserves. If not for the females and various "first female Eagle Scout in X town" articles, all the press BSA had for years would have been about the 4Bn settlement to tens of thousands of sexual abuse claims from decades ago. You're welcome.

 

It's a weird thing were parents view male only activities as better and female activities as inferior.... It's really sad. Its why society has a weird obsession with getting girls to join stem programs. Yet, I see no multimillion dollar projects to get men into nursing or teaching. It's peoples (mainly men but some women) sexist ideas they need to force their daughters into male sports, activities because they view female activities as inferior. It's sad because of so many great accomplishments of females in the Girl Scouts.

 

I would say there is a place for men's and women's (boy's and girl's) only activities that encourage bonding and development of natural characteristics.

That said, there is a reason for encouragement of girls/women in STEM. Females were subtly and not so subtly discouraged from STEM. It was believed for instance that males were better at maths than females and this was born out by observation and study. However, a couple of female researchers studied this and discovered that while true it only manifested itself in middle and highschool. This leads to the implication that social factors were involved in the differences. We don't want to potentially lose half of our researchers and innovation to what may be gender bias.

Not sure how much you need to encourage men in nursing as there seem to be a lot getting into it especially due to large salaries. Admittedly, the percentage is small (from 12 to 20% are male depending on the State).

 

"A Scout is trustworthy, loyal, helpful, friendly, courteous, kind, obedient, cheerful, thrifty, brave, clean, and reverent." I really dislike the notion any of there points are natural male characteristics. And the boys have their boy-only troops.

Ya think? People used "mail only activities" and "STEM" in same breath on this very thread. I am aware of research and I AM a tech bro myself - misogynistic bias is there and is obvious. Funny how the most lucrative fields are seen as "traditionally male" huh?
FYI, computer programming used to be a low paid activity, inferior to the scientists and the "real" engineers - and overwhelmingly female. Shortage and the big bucks changed that real fast.

 

Yah, because STEM is "male only". This is precisely why we need women in STEM support programs.

I'll give you this point. GSUSA Gold Award is just as big an accomplishment as Eagle Scout rank, and should be recognized accordingly. Yet, it is way lower profile, has been for decades. This is not feminists' doing.

 

(Roasted peanuts in the shell)

 

Are you kidding? You think women we're not allowed to do these programs? This is just a campaign to pump funds out of corporate donors and generate good pr. Not at any point has stem been female only.

Also your stats are way off on male nurses. Zero chance a single state has 20% male nurses.

 

Wrong - Nebraska has 20%. Stats and table for ALL States included here:
https://www.travelnursing.com/news/nurse-news/where-the-male-nurses-are/#:~:text=State numbers,percent of the nursing workforce.

And the remark - 12 to 20% - is attributable to @Garp, not @Stanislav.

 

Dude, I worked in tech for 20 years. It is a toxic, bias-full environment for women. It just is. Changing this is in everyone's interest.

 

Pass some, please.

 

Why? Why do we need to change this? Oh and the whole women were the first cs is not factually based or even close.



How many male elementary school teachers are there? I asked at my local school dist that and there wasn't a single one in a district with over thirty elementary schools. That's not one male out of thousands of employees. Yet we have a problem with stem? We as a society pick and chose our moral outrage over perceived gender inequalities. Should we spend a hundred million to get males into teaching elementary education? I mean its for everyone's best interest no? Why aren't women focusing getting equality on road crews? I can't think of the last time I saw a female working on a road crew....we need to change that right? Or just the high paying jobs that are inside?

 

Great! Though those numbers are their best guesstimate. Those are not a good source. But I will agree that 12% of total male nurses seems accurate.

 

(Sure. Here you go. Hey, wanna diet Coke?)

 

"The workforce of Elementary & middle school teachers (in U.S.) in 2021 was 3,276,801 people, with 79.6% women, and 20.4% men." From here: https://datausa.io/profile/soc/elementary-middle-school-teachers#:~

Canada calling. Our Prime Minister, Justin Trudeau, was an elementary (and high) school teacher for some years. There are approximately 12,000 male elementary school teachers in Ontario. The Provincial breakdown is 23.8% male, 76.2% women

Canada-wide, the breakdown is 24.5% male 76.2% women. Table here:
https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1/en/tv.action?pid=3710015303&pickMembers[0]=2.1&pickMembers[1]=3.1&cubeTimeFrame.startYear=2021+/+2022&cubeTimeFrame.endYear=2021+/+2022&referencePeriods=20210101,20210101

Yours truly was once an elementary school teacher. I graduated from Teachers' College in 1962. Women predominated, but there was a pretty fair number of male grads. In my particular classroom, about 40 students, maybe as high as 30%.

Back in England, in 1950-51, our teacher was Mr, Sullivan. In 1951-52 We had Mr. Sell. By 1952-53 I was in Canada - in a Grade 5/6 class taught by Mr. Fulkerson, a burly, 40-ish, University-educated WW2 Vet. Great teacher.

Your premise is entirely wrong. And it's NOT a "new thing."