Mexican Office Doctorates for less than 8K

I agree, we cannot generalize that everyone can follow a spanish language degree. I write and speak French so that helps. It wouldn't be the same if I tried Mandarin or German for sure.
However, CLEA degrees are quite simple based on friendly readings and multiple choice. Not much different than coursera diplomas
I cannot talk about Da Vinci but i completed one certificate in neuroscience with the same platform based on readings and multiple choice.

For cheap options, most evaluations are multiple choice questions. You are not going to have a professor evaluating your essays with a PhD for 200 dlls.

 

Right We cannot generalize here. I've been to school for French, German, Mandarin - and Spanish, plus a few others. And yes - your results would likely differ greatly with German - and probably even more drastically, with Mandarin.

Agreement on that - but I'm still with Manuel.

"All generalizations are false - including this one." - Philosophy student I met in a University pub. On his 9th beer IIRC.

 

I disagree, physics and mathematics are examples of this. There are certain principles that can be generalized such as physics laws and mathematical principles but subjective experiences most likely not.

 

You have to read text or hear lectures to learn what those laws mean - and their consequences - and how to use them and apply them to problems etc. Also physics and math both have extensive specialized vocabularies. It's not just a case of reading math or physics symbols in equations etc.

It reminds me of a book on the Bayeux Tapestry, when I was in my early teens. The pictures wer great - they could tell me some of what was going on. I also had enough Latin to follow the inscriptions (pretty easy Latin) and they told the story exactly.

 

Only some. I saw soldiers getting into a boat. I knew from history class, whose soldiers they were and where they were headed. If I hadn't known, the Latin text was there to tell me. I saw a guy with an arrow through his eye. Without my prior knowledge, I wouldn't have known who he was - but I read "Harold Rex interfectus est." (King Harold was killed). I'll spare you any more examples.

Yep. To learn the whole story, ya gotta understand the lingo. Whatever it is.

 

For one thing, you have to know what they represent. If you're new to the subject - you don't. You have to read or listen to learn that. That's your first hurdle.... you'll find plenty more that need reading and listening skills in the language of instruction.

Read the Manual - and heed the Manuel.

 

Seems to me the Bayonne Tapestry took up where the Bayeaux Tapestry left off...showed the arrival of William the Bastard in Hoboken...he reverted to his earlier moniker because it better suited New Jersey...

 

I thought it depicted Chuck Wepner. My mistake.

 

@nosborne48 I thought you were messing with my head -- yet again. Then I found this page of 130 of them.
https://www.redbubble.com/shop/bayonne+tapestry

Bayonne Tapenstries:Very nice work, but:

(1) They don't tell a continuous story
(2) They're not in Latin
(3) They weren't hand-made by ladies in a drafty Norman-built castle in conquered England.

@Rich Douglas And yeah - they should make a tapestry about Chuck Wepner. And charge admission. It'd go over big in Bayonne.

 

First, I need to be clear that I was referring to two different things in my previous post.

1 - A person needs to really know the language because it is a Ph.D. level degree. The entire paper will be in Spanish and the communication will be in Spanish as well. I have experienced the other way around with an English university while my first language was Spanish. I really struggled the first semester even though I passed the TOEFL and had 2 years of studying English during the weekends. Thus, I talk about my experience with a language that I thought I was comfortable with but I got a REALITY CHECK as soon as school started. A cheap (in terms of quality) degree offered as propio is not the same as a recognized doctoral degree. No doctoral degree is easy even in your own language.

As I said previously, you need to have as a minimum a passing level of TOEFL to be admitted to college in the US. This exam ensures that a person can understand, express, and write at an undergraduate level. The same could apply to English speakers because you should have a real understanding of the topic plus know how to express it on paper and verbally.

Those papers written by the student will be read and will be scrutinized as they were written in Spanish. Also, even between Spanish-speaking countries, there are differences that need to be accounted for. For example, the word “ahorita” means right now in Mexico while the same word means “later” in the Dominican Republic and Puerto Rico. Those are instances where Google Translator won’t help. But, how it would look if a person gets a doctoral degree in Mexico (taught in Spanish) and doesn’t speak Spanish? Even if the degree is legitimate, it will look like a degree mill if you cannot express yourself in Spanish. How can you explain that in a job interview? Something that cannot be faked is a language. You speak it or don’t. As soon as the interviewer speaks Spanish, you will be exposed…

2 - Universidad CLEA might not have the problem I mentioned of how hard is to study in Spanish because they are propios and maybe nobody checks those papers (if any). In other posts, I already talked about my support for propios degrees because they are propios and semi-recognized in Spain. In fact, all Spanish universities I know have propios degrees. Therefore, they have some recognition there. However, you get what you pay for at the Universidad CLEA. You cannot complain if those $200 dollars degrees are not recognized outside of Mexico (even inside Mexico) because you knew from the beginning that they were propios. There are better options like UVEG where you can get real degrees for very affordable prices. Bachelor's degree for $17 dollars per course!

 

The Doctorado en Innovación looks very interesting. https://uveg.edu.mx/index.php/es/info-docinn

 

A real doctorate for 6k!

 

Yes - a real one, requiring real effort and scholarship, at very modest cost. A pleasant change from the diet of backfire-prone degrees and suspicious validations etc we hear so much of at DI, degrees found by stealthy searching beneath rocks and under cover of darkness. A somewhat disturbing preference, to me - but I dismiss the thought. Because, perhaps, it's Halloween - and it's not my money.

Refreshing to see the site of a really decent Mexican school that offers genuine value. I always felt, somehow, that there must be some great ones out there.

 

This is good but offered by a public university so i would expect it to be more traditional than the ones posted before that most likely are offered trough a more friendly platform with a set of readings with multiple choice exams and the dissertation most likely is applied and flexible. Public universities would be much stronger with a more reputable degree but there is the feasibility aspect and time investment. People go with places like Azteca or UCN also because of time and flexibility, the programs are probably not so demanding and can be done with few hours of investment a week. Yes, these are light doctorates but many people just need the check mark to qualify for a position or to adjunct on the side and not interested in tenure track positions. Many of the for profit online doctorates also have this format, people invest a lot of money for them because time investments are lower than traditional doctorates.

 

I realize that. Fully. And that's what makes UVEG's offering interesting. A doctorate is supposed to be the crowning academic achievement of a lifetime. Ticky-box ones are paper hats.

 

Yes, but the credentialism reality of our society puts pressure on people to get credentials that they don't really need just because others have them. Do I need a PhD to teach Accounting 101 or stats for dummies? No, but people with PhDs are applying for the job. The pressure is real, I used to make a living as an adjunct teaching 5 to 10 classes a term, I was not getting some contracts because the lack of a doctorate. When I started in the business, a masters was enough but 10 years after all of the sudden many people with doctorates appeared in the adjunct market and threaten my existence as an adjunct.
For an adjunct making 60K a year and teaching 5 classes a term and supporting a family, investing 20 hours a week and 100K for a doctorate is not an option. The Mexican online non ranked PhD is just attractive so you can have a check mark for 8K and 5 hours a week of commitment. It is not going to impress anyone but it might give you oxygen so you can continue getting contracts hopefully until you retire.

 

Well, if that's what it's really like, I sure hell wouldn't ever want to be an adjunct - at least. not one who needed semi-bogus credentials to survive. Worse than working for ENEBezer Scrooge! If I'd had to resort to a worthless - or semi-worthless degree, to get hired - I'd have found another employer. I wouldn't want to work where they liked people who did things like acquiring degrees that weren't exactly trustworthy. Fortunately, I never had to make that decision.

For me - crown or nothing. I chose nothing. If I revise that decision - it's the real thing, no party hats. YMMV.

 

Five shillings?

 

This is exactly the reason why I took the Azteca/UCN route. It was not because I needed it but because of the life-long learning journey for a legitimately earned title without too much time and investment that could enhance my profile with an increased possibility of teaching full time at the community college level and becoming a professional adjunct online at other places. Investing 4 to 6 years in a Doctorate program when I am not even guaranteed a tenure track position and would have been much older coming out of school than many of my peers who would have already been making a solid income would not have been worth it. Honestly, anything over a Bachelor's degree is too much education for most high paying jobs. I can see how these foreign degrees can be a slap in the face for those who invest much more time in money in traditional doctorate programs but times are changing and if more education is required with less opportunities then it makes more sense to offer degrees at a much lower cost and in about half the time traditional doctoral degrees would take.

Either credential inflation needs to stop or more jobs need to require less higher education with more apprenticeships. My community college has changed many job postings that required a Bachelor’s degree to an Associates and many of the positions that required a Master’s degree to a Bachelor’s degree. This is because the salaries have been stagnant for many years and education requirements are too high for the low salaries offered which attracts less applicants.

 

You request in writing that I pay you five shillings MORE? In this economy? What temerity! Er, NO, Cratchit... sorry, that's Nosborne, isn't it? Cratchit was here a long time ago. You may collect your things on your way out. And Merry Christmas , Happy Hanukkah, Habari Gani (Kwanzaa) etc. ... to you and yours.

Cordially yours,
ENEBezer.