Central University of Nicaragua Degree Scheme

Or in general.

WES evaluated my doctorate from Leicester as above a master's, but not a doctorate. Their reasoning? That's how they evaluate ALL professional doctorates from Europe. This was absurd since:

• The Doctor of Social Science at Leicester is NOT a professional doctorate. It is a scholarly doctorate. Leicester makes that very clear.
• Leicester states unequivocally that the DSocSci is equal to the PhD. Not equivalent. Equal.
• The British system has a points structure for the doctorate. The DSocSci requires the same number of points as does the PhD.

WES, when provided all of that information, ignored it and stood its ground. Ignored it. Not "countered" it. Not "explained" it. Ignored it and repeated itsed.

NACES, when presented with this situation, told me that it was WES' call and oh, well.

The entire situation was bureaucratic mindlessness. And remember, this is coming from a (former) top-level bureaucrat! It's no wonder people go "evaluation shopping" to get the answer they want. Also, it seems, some must go evaluation shopping just to get the right answer.

I have a doctorate from a world top-200 university. WES and NACES can bite me.

 

Right, I wasn't addressing the UNEM matter though, I have no knowledge on their operations or the system they belong to but this discussion has peaked my interest to look into it.

My post was to address Rich's thought about the general lack of oversight of propios. I wouldn't be surprised if some governments don't watch them much or at all, but at least in one country (Spain) there is some governmental oversight being exercised but in an indirect manner with the exception of totally independent programs with no backing from an accredited school. They deal with those in a very direct way, the kind of way where the school's sign gets taken down and its doors and windows get locked with armed guards in attendance.

 

Oh, I LIKE this! My kind of scenario! And do they burn the school to the ground afterwards? And form a firing squad for the Chancellor?

¡Viva España!​

 

LOL! No, but I hear they string up the Rector and beat'em like a piñata hoping all the money they've been hiding from taxation falls out . I think they learned that procedure from the Mexican Federales. Or maybe the Italian Polizia? Or maybe the Chinese People's Armed Police Force since the piñata actually originated in China before the Italians copied it.

 

Holy Cow! I didn't know that. Marco Polo strikes again! I think I even have a couple of "Marco Polo" brand Chinese-made shirts. Possibly fakes of "Polo" by Ralph Lauren. He makes great stuff for guys, as well as women. I know labels! Great info! Thanks!.

 

In fact, he started out selling men's ties. His story was in my fashion course along with around 200 other fashion luminaries. Great texts, lousy school. But it kindled something in me that's staying... I think that counts. And - low cost (around $700) and fully paid for. No debt. Nice diploma.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralph_Lauren

 

I first learned about it from two Sicilians - Vinnie and Aldo, my book... er, my brokers. They only had to show me once...

 

All the sketchy or shadowy issues with these Proprio schools or "international branches" of schools that are lower rung and accredited in their home country should lead to a lot of deliberation and few complaints when it goes South (excuse the joke). We have one poor guy who can't find out if he completed his doctorate much less get his diploma. Leads to wondering if the guy running the International division is the faculty, head of the dissertation Committee, admin support, and public relations guy. Cautionary tale here folks!

Things like ENEB/Isabella aren't a bad risk, other than the work you put in, because they are dirt cheap. There is some track record with various evaluations (at least as graduate credit).

 

A great wiki for degreeforum.net has been put up concerning ENEB. From everything that has been gathered about Universidad Isabel I/ENEB so far, the recognition and the perks of it for the price have been pretty remarkable. I have been thinking a lot about completing one or two of their programs sometime during or after completing the Thunderbird School of Global Management's free Graduate Certificate program.

https://degreeforum.miraheze.org/wiki/ENEB

 

From what I have gathered about my PhD with the dean of Azteca after speaking with him Tuesday I passed and they are currently getting all of my paperwork together between Azteca and UCN. I will let you all know when I have all the documentation sent to me.

 

Congratulations Dr. Coleman! Woot...woot. Glad to hear.

 

Congrats cancoleman! Why did you enroll at the European Sattelite campus and not directly at Azteca or ucn main campus?

 

I enrolled directly with Azteca/UCN dual program. I initially was going to enroll directly with UCN but the dean there had issues and delays with his email system with the school and was also ill for about a year. When he would reply it would be weeks later and this last time it was a full year after I had already enrolled with Azteca.

 

They've also gotten evaluations as an RA Master's, a U.S. non-accredited Master's, an RA Bachelor's, and some other successful country-specific variations. I honestly never expected it to work out as well as it has, but here we are.

 

Congratulations, Dr. Coleman!

 

As my Brit daughter would say - Good on you, Dr. Coleman!

 

I had a bad experience with WES as well. My spouse is from the Philippines and when he got his one years worth of college credit from the Philippines evaluated, they took one credit away from every course he completed which resulted in shaving his number of credits from 47 to 34. The problem with this was our local community college which is also my Alma matter did not accept WES evaluation because each course was now one or two hours when the equivalent transfer would be two to three. The rationale from WES was they needed to fit one years worth of work into approximately 30 hours of credit to fit properly. I had to go in as an official educator on record despite having left my former position in education to change the hours on the evaluation to its initial numbers for the community college to accept it as WES refused to change their evaluation.

I will no longer be using or recommending WES to anyone who has earned foreign credit or foreign credentials. WES won't evaluate UCN anyway and will give ENEB a non-accredited evaluation.

 

Unless, of course, the Institution or employer you're applying to SAYS it does. Some places are picky about evaluators and make their own house rules. WES is sometimes all they'll take. It's like a store that only takes Visa, no MasterCard, Amex, Discover, Piggly Wiggly etc.

If you've got a Costaraguan or Grouponista degree and the place adamantly requires WES - you're pretty well done, I think. At least, there.

 

Thankfully, I didn't need it for anything. I was just doing it because I wanted to see how it worked since it is discussed here so much.

It wasn't just the outcome, but the pure boneheaded nature of it all.