Largest California Junior College to Lose Accreditation

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  1. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Largest California Junior College to Lose Accreditation
    By Pete Young - Jul 3, 2013 7:52 PM PT

    Largest California Junior College to Lose Accreditation - Bloomberg

     
  2. Shawn Ambrose

    Shawn Ambrose New Member

  3. John Bear

    John Bear Senior Member

    This sounds like the mule trainer's manual that starts out, "Bash it on the head with a 2 by 4. Now that you have its attention . . . " With 13 months to address the issues, and appeals and extensions possible, the odds are very high (but by no means certain) that CCSF will survive. (If not, it'll be fascinating to see what happens to this huge campus, complete with one of the largest Diego Rivera murals in the U.S.)
     
  4. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator

    You'd have to guess that someone is about to lose their job and the new person will be fully empowered to kick everyone's ass.
     
  5. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    For that reason alone, I hope the school can be saved. :smile:

    Looks like this large college, which taught an absolutely amazing range of courses, has been in some financial Heißwasser (Thanks, Dr. Bear) for a long time. There are forum-posts going back a while.

    I read in another forum that the State community college Chancellor in Sacramento is going to place CCSF under the control of a "special trustee" next week. That means goodbye to the current trustees. As Kizmet said, "somebody is going to lose their job and the new person will be empowered to kick everyone's ass."

    I read also (and this is almost a direct quote) that the California Federation of Teachers (the faculty union) has already filed suit against WASC, alleging that it has exceeded its authority. Throw in the activists with good political connections that this knowledgeable poster mentioned, and WASC may have quite a battle on its hands.

    I think I know the outcome. It basically comes down to money. My guess is that a much-reduced, still-accredited "barebones" version of the College will emerge at the end. Hope they can keep the mural!

    Johann
     
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  6. CalDog

    CalDog New Member

    A different junior college in California, Compton College, lost its WASC accreditation in 2005. So it closed -- but it reopened in 2006 as a branch campus of neighboring El Camino College. It has continued to operate under El Camino's accreditation ever since, although the long-term plan is to for the Compton branch campus to gain separate accreditation again.

    My guess is that something similar would happen if CCSF was forced to "close." It would probably then reopen and continue to operate, but under some alternative name and administration. Nobody (including WASC) wants the residents of SF to be permanently denied access to community college educational services.

    Admittedly, any such reopening would be complicated by the large size and internal politics of CCSF. Possibly there could be some temporary loss of services before it gets straightened out.
     
  7. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    I hope Dr. Bear is right and the school suvives etc.

    On the positive note, I'm glad that there is a QA system that enforces standards.
     
  8. Shawn Ambrose

    Shawn Ambrose New Member

    I'll bet there is some type of negotiated settlement down the road - the school has a year to appeal, etc. Toss in the lawsuits, etc.

    OK - I;ll jump the gun here...but I don't think things look good for Ashford U. AU had many, many issues...tough to fix in a year...
     
  9. Abner

    Abner Well-Known Member

    Yes, you are quite right Johann. The California Federation of Teachers union has some powerful ties, and they do extremely well in quashing things like this. They are well connected in the political arena, and WASC will be tied up in court for a LONG ass time. CFT has a HUGE war chest and can round up many activists at the drop of a hat. Plus, CFT can rally up the assistance of sister unions like mine simply by asking. Strength is in numbers. For example, my union is the largest national/international union around. So much so, that they have access to the white house, and have a seat at the table so to speak.

    Abner
     
  10. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Unfortunately, that description doesn't make it sound like that strength will not be applied toward making things better for students.
     
  11. Abner

    Abner Well-Known Member

    That's a different argument than Johann's. Nobody is saying the college won't have to comply with WASC. What Johann is saying is that the timely pulling of WASC accreditation will be made more difficult. Lawsuits and other tactics buy additional time so the school can comply and not lose accreditation. No school should expect to operate if they do not want or can't comply with NA or RA policies. I now your comments are directed at me, but I was responding to Johann's point of view. Nothing less, nothing more.

    Abner
     
  12. Abner

    Abner Well-Known Member

    Precisely.

    Abner
     
  13. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    I think it just possibly could, Steve - if that strength will (perhaps indirectly) help the college to survive. Isn't having a school of more benefit to students than potentially not having one? That's assuming the school will comply with WASC-mandated academic quality standards, of course.

    As per CalDog's recollection of another college that lost accreditation, a possibility is that CCSF could survive as a branch campus of another school.

    Johann
     
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  14. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Not in my opinion. A crappy community college run for the benefit of its employees rather than its students is worse than useless if its existence takes up the place that could otherwise be filled by something better.

    Besides, does anyone really believe that there will be no community college in San Francisco no matter what the outcome of all this is? The most dramatic possible scenario isn't really closure, its absorption by a different community college, like what happened to Compton.
     
  15. CalDog

    CalDog New Member

    As stated previously, nobody -- not even WASC -- wants to deprive the people of San Francisco of the opportunity to attend junior college.

    So here is the worst-case scenario: CCSF "closes", then reopens for business under new management.

    There was a report on accreditation issues at California junior colleges last year in Inside Higher Ed. It addressed CCSF, College of the Redwoods, and Cuesta College, all of which were on "show cause" status with WASC in 2012. IHE described the options like this:

    In early 2013, College of the Redwoods and Cuesta College were removed from "show cause" status, and have kept their WASC accreditation. The wheels are still turning at CCSF.
     
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  16. Tireman 44444

    Tireman 44444 Well-Known Member

    Interesting. Our former deputy director at HCC is now the chancellor at CCSF.

    Arthur Tyler, a 20-year Air Force veteran and and the man who for a brief time led the now-defunct Compton Community College District, has been chosen as the new chancellor for City College of San Francisco, according sources familiar with hiring efforts.

    "I will be at the press conference tomorrow," Tyler said of Wednesday’s official announcement, scheduled for 10:30 a.m. at the Ocean Avenue campus.

    CCSF special trustee Robert Agrella and California Community Colleges Chancellor Brice Harris are expected to attend as well.


    http://www.sfexaminer.com/sanfrancisco/arthur-tyler-former-compton-college-head-tapped-to-lead-ccsf-through-accreditation-battle/Content?oid=2604626
     
  17. DailyNews

    DailyNews New Member

    The key phrase in that whole statement......."ineligible for government funds.!!!!" That says it all!!

    I say lose it, save the money and waste of man hours, and keep operating as a private state-approved junior college. I think only religious degree (Exempt) granting colleges can do this though!
     
  18. NorCal

    NorCal Active Member

    I took a few classes there and that place is a mess.
     

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