Warning: Another Mill

Excuse me, but Fortunately i have legal transcripts !!

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Gérard SAVIGNÉ, ThD

 

I have transcripts for Missionary Chapel and Seminary. This is a very good school for the Faith.

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Gérard SAVIGNÉ, ThD

 

Hmmm, this looks like someone from the degree mill itself. We will ban anyone who is acting as a shill for a degree mill...and by the way, we are not the Congress.

 

Incorporated does not mean accredited. Legal isn't a good term to use when trying to prove your "degree" is real. In my home state of Texas it would actually be very illegal to use your "legal" degree, a Class B misdemeanor in fact. I'm sure other states have similar laws.


The Texas Penal Code (Section 32.52) prohibits the use of fraudulent or substandard degrees "in a written or oral advertisement or other promotion of a business; or with the intent to: obtain employment; obtain a license or certificate to practice a trade, profession, or occupation; obtain a promotion, a compensation or other benefit, or an increase in compensation or other benefit, in employment or in the practice of a trade, profession, or occupation; obtain admission to an educational program in this state; or gain a position in government with authority over another person, regardless of whether the actor receives compensation for the position." Violation of this law is a Class B misdemeanor.

 

IANAL but ever since the Supreme Court struck down the Stolen Valor act I've felt that these types of laws are of dubious constitutionality. The court has made it clear that it doesn't like laws that seek to ban lying and that's exactly what these laws seem to do. The regulation of a word like "psychology" can be spun as a restriction on commercial speech or to prevent a type of fraud but in the Texas code commerce or fraud isn't necessary to violate the law. Just from an observers point of view I'd think it would be fun to see some litigation.

 

There was a well-known lawsuit a few years ago between the State of Oregon and the unaccredited Kennedy-Western University over this issue. At the time, KWU operated legally under state license in Wyoming, but their degrees (and those of other unaccredited schools) were banned in Oregon. KWU argued that their unaccredited degrees were issued legally, and that their grads had a free-speech right to advertise them in Oregon.

The case was ultimately settled out of court. Oregon acknowledged that yes, KWU degree holders did have a right to advertise their degrees. However, Oregon immediately instituted a "disclaimer" rule: since unaccredited degrees do not meet Oregon's legal standards, such degrees can only be advertised in Oregon with a legal disclaimer attached:

KWU did not attempt to challenge the Oregon "disclaimer" rule, and it still appears to be in effect.

 

The exact wording of Oregon's legally required disclaimer on unaccredited degrees is as follows:

Oregon does have a process by which unaccredited schools can seek state approval. If a school is unaccredited, but has Oregon approval, then its degrees can be used in Oregon without the disclaimer.

 

Don't juge

Matthew 7

Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)

7 “Don’t judge, so that you won’t be judged. 2 For the way you judge others is how you will be judged — the measure with which you measure out will be used to measure to you. 3 Why do you see the splinter in your brother’s eye but not notice the log in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the splinter out of your eye,’ when you have the log in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite! First, take the log out of your own eye; then you will see clearly, so that you can remove the splinter from your brother’s eye!

6 “Don’t give to dogs what is holy, and don’t throw your pearls to the pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, then turn and attack you.

7 “Keep asking, and it will be given to you; keep seeking, and you will find; keep knocking, and the door will be opened to you. 8 For everyone who keeps asking receives; he who keeps seeking finds; and to him who keeps knocking, the door will be opened. 9 Is there anyone here who, if his son asks him for a loaf of bread, will give him a stone? 10 or if he asks for a fish, will give him a snake? 11 So if you, even though you are bad, know how to give your children gifts that are good, how much more will your Father in heaven keep giving good things to those who keep asking him!

12 “Always treat others as you would like them to treat you; that sums up the teaching of the Torah and the Prophets.

13 “Go in through the narrow gate; for the gate that leads to destruction is wide and the road broad, and many travel it; 14 but it is a narrow gate and a hard road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

15 “Beware of the false prophets! They come to you wearing sheep’s clothing, but underneath they are hungry wolves! 16 You will recognize them by their fruit. Can people pick grapes from thorn bushes, or figs from thistles? 17 Likewise, every healthy tree produces good fruit, but a poor tree produces bad fruit. 18 A healthy tree cannot bear bad fruit, or a poor tree good fruit. 19 Any tree that does not produce good fruit is cut down and thrown in the fire! 20 So you will recognize them by their fruit.

21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord!’ will enter the Kingdom of Heaven, only those who do what my Father in heaven wants. 22 On that Day, many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord! Didn’t we prophesy in your name? Didn’t we expel demons in your name? Didn’t we perform many miracles in your name?’ 23 Then I will tell them to their faces, ‘I never knew you! Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness!’[a]

24 “So, everyone who hears these words of mine and acts on them will be like a sensible man who built his house on bedrock. 25 The rain fell, the rivers flooded, the winds blew and beat against that house, but it didn’t collapse, because its foundation was on rock. 26 But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not act on them will be like a stupid man who built his house on sand. 27 The rain fell, the rivers flooded, the wind blew and beat against that house, and it collapsed — and its collapse was horrendous!”

28 When Yeshua had finished saying these things, the crowds were amazed at the way he taught, 29 for he was not instructing them like their Torah-teachers but as one who had authority himself.


Footnotes:
a.Matthew 7:23 Psalm 6:9(8)

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Gérard SAVIGNÉ, ThD

 

Do not judge

Matthew 7:1

"Do not judge so that you will not be judged.''

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Gérard SAVIGNÉ, ThD

 

$99! I'm saving up! lol

 

It is not so expensive for a gift

Romans 5:15

''But the gift is not like the trespass. For if the many died by the trespass of the one man, how much more did God's grace and the gift that came by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, overflow to the many!''

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Gérard SAVIGNÉ, ThD

 

That's one way to think about the difference between the two laws. Another way would be to view the SVA as an attempt to regulate a lie of commission whereas the OR law is an attempt to regulate a lie of omission (what is being omitted is that the degree is unaccredited.) I'm not sure that such a distinction makes any difference Constitutionally because the Supreme Court has said that part of the First Amendment guarantee of freedom is speech is that the government can't compel speech--with the OR law one is being compelled to tell the whole truth. If the government can't ban ordinary lying then it doesn't seem like it can compel the truth in ordinary circumstances, either, as they seem two sides of the same coin.

 

I am not a lawyer, but my guess is that the degree disclaimer would survive a legal challenge, because it is consistent with long-established practices for the use of another type of credential: the professional license.

The fundamental issue here is that states have different standards for degrees; this means that a degree legally issued in State A may not meet the standards of State B. In practice, most degrees are unaffected by this issue, because they have some form of USDoE-recognized accreditation, which is accepted everywhere. The issue does, however, affect unaccredited degrees.

And the exact same issue routinely affects state professional licenses. For example, a CPA license issued in State A will not normally be valid for use in State B.

So if you move to State B, can you still advertise your professional license from State A -- which is invalid in State B? Yes, you have the right to speak truthfully about out-of-state licenses. But if you are not licensed to practice in State B, then State B will also expect you to speak truthfully about that fact as well. This disclosure is normally made in the form of a disclaimer. The Oregon degree disclaimer rule is the same solution to the same issue.

 

But if no one is going any further along the path, then is there an actual problem? Oregon state law, for example, only covers institutional accreditation status. And it's been that way for years. To my knowledge, neither Oregon nor any other state has expressed any interest in mandating further disclosures.

Because the state law of Oregon (and as far as I know, every other state) is completely silent on these distinctions. And no one (as far as I can tell) has any interest in amending the law to add those distinctions. That's why not.

It's also very easy to check professional licenses -- in fact, the licensure system is even more detailed, because you can verify the status of individuals, not just schools.

But it's still a crime to misrepresent your licensure status. Suppose I misrepresent myself as an attorney. It's not a defense to state: "Well, no one should have been fooled, because it's trivially easy to verify bar membership at www.calbar.ca.gov".

 

You are transcripts??? :blackeye:

 

Yes, i am transcripts, because i am not jealous others, as on this forum !! i worked with faith in Jesus Christ.

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Gérard SAVIGNÉ, ThD

 

To have faith in Jesus Christ means to trust Him and obey His commandments. Faith is much more than passive belief.

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Gérard SAVIGNÉ, ThD

 

Faith in Jesus Christ

To have faith in Jesus Christ means to trust Him and obey His commandments. Faith is much more than passive belief.

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Gérard SAVIGNÉ, ThD