Nuclear war

Discussion in 'Political Discussions' started by nosborne48, Feb 27, 2022.

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  1. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Okay folks I think I might begin to see Putin's endgame. Maybe. His intention all along was to crush Ukrainian sovereignty. He has said for years that there should be no such country. He might have figured on a fairly peaceful walk over followed by the kind of deadly embrace he imposed on Belarus. That plan worked surprisingly well in Crimea but it isn't working even in Eastern Ukraine.

    So about his only path forward is to endure the sanctions and increase the military pressure until Ukraine collapses and serious resistance ceases. Then he erects his puppet government(s) and signs agreements of union with them.

    Finally he presents the world with his fiat accompi and urges a return to normalcy.
     
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  2. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    The sole bright spot is that there's no obvious need for nuclear weapons. The black pit of despair is what life in Ukraine will become.
     
  3. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    I wonder if Putin would settle for a partition rather than try to subdue the extremely hostile population of Western Ukraine.
     
  4. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Relatedly, Dr. Strangelove is playing tonight at my local upscale theater. I've never seen it, but I've heard it's one of Kubrick's best and this seems like an opportune time now that MAD is back in fashion.
     
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  5. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    "accompli". Drat.

    Dr. Strangelove is a very dark, very funny movie.
     
  6. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Just A minor drat ( A, C and E?). Not to worry.

    Another one: It's "fait" (French "deed") not fiat (Latin "let there be" as in "Fiat lux." Let there be light.)
    Again, not to worry. We know what you mean. We always do.

    There - always wanted to write a "Drat in A Minor." I think they're Hungarian in origin...
     
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  7. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    A-C-Eb A diminshed "drat".
     
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  8. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Remenyi? Brahms? Liszt? Kodály maybe? ...
     
  9. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Since "fiat" also means "diktat", your way was wittier anyway!
     
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  10. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    I saw that - and you're right. It was. Wit: Hallmark of Nosborne48.
     
  11. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Unintentional. But Putin rides around in an executive fiat, no?:rolleyes:
     
  12. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Who knows? Putin is a car collector. He's got one of everything, probably. Here's a pic with his (Ukrainian) '72 Zaporozhets.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZAZ_Zaporozhets#/media/File:putin_with_his_1972_Zaporozhets.jpg

    Ukrainska Knyha, here in Canada had a deal on these cars. You couldn't import one here, but for $1700 you could send to Ukraine and buy one for your relatives there... щасливого Різдва!

    From the Interweb...

    The acronym FIAT stands for Fabbrica Italiana Automobili Torino, which translates to “Factory Italian Automotive Turin.” The word also means “let there be” in Latin

    The only Russian-made Fiat-like cars I know of were Ladas. They were sort-of fiat 124s, produced under license from Fiat, similar to the Peykan of that era - in Iran. Built in a place called Togliatti, after the Italian Communist leader. Strangely, for Russian cars, they didn't do well in Canadian winters. Rotten cars. My then-teenage son bought one about 4 years old for $100. I think he got a weekend out of it. Then the differential collapsed and he towed it to the junkyard.

    You've done it again, Nosborne! Derailleured me into a CAR Thread-jacking! :)
     
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  13. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Do you think Russia is capable of enduring sanctions?
     
  14. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    I can't speak for others, but I'd figure if Russia ran low on endurance they might react by turning the valves off at GAZPROM. Russia accounts for 30+ percent of German fuel, I'm told -- and I'd guess maybe more than that in the Baltic countries. That could be the end result I would NOT want to see. An energy siege.
     
  15. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    One can only hope that Europeans will see this as a wakeup call for the need for energy independence from their aggressive neighbor.
     
  16. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    It is interesting that THIS is an end result you do not want to see, in a situation that inspires threads with titles like "nuclear war". Now, nuclear war, that is an end result we don't want to see. Russia shooting itself in the foot by cutting off 40% of their exports? Not too shabby, honestly. Keep in mind that if this lasts, and it mains me to say this likely will, this kind of outcome is bound to happen at some point.

    Also, word choices. There are cities under literal sieges. Sumy suffered an air raid this morning killing dozens of civilians, including children. Mariupol and Kharkiv are on the brink of a humanitarian catastrophe. So, right now, a prospect of Germans having to turn thermostats down a couple of C and invest in replacing Gazprom fumes with LNGs at twice the price for a few months is NOT a "siege".
     
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  17. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Yep - I get your meaning. 100% right - as is every word in the post. Thanks, Stanislav - I needed correction here. Good job.
     
  18. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    My unpopular opinion: nuclear reactors here, there and everywhere.
     
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  19. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    You'd think between "energy independence conservatives" and "climate change progressives" that this would be the easiest slam dunk in all of politics.
     
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  20. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    Of course, nuclear energy comes with its own basket of risks and problems, but those problems are much easier to manage than international relations and climate change.

    BTW, international relations and climate change are both rapidly accelerating towards make the planet entirely unlivable for our species. Any bets on which one is going to get there first?
     
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