Hungarian PM denounces Soros-backed college, US urges restraint

Na és? Azt hiszed hogy csak te tudsz magyarul? és mi van ha én nem fél magyar (mi a fene fél magyar?!?) vagyok, hanem száz százalék?

Or, maybe I am not Hungarian, but I was stationed there till last week? Does any of that disqualify you since you have less hands-on, direct information? Please.

It's like Stanislav writing on an other thread (or was it on this) we cannot comment on Ukranian history because he has more, much more insight than any of us plebeians.

Typical.

 

I'm not clear on how Russia represents any significant threat to Hungary.

More generally, I think that it's bizarre how much anti-Russian hysteria has been churned up in the media in recent weeks (especially since the US election in November), while from the global perspective China is the far greater worry for multiple reasons but seemingly receives a free-pass from the very same people who are so rabidly anti-Russian.

Xi Jinping is every bit the dictator that Vladimir Putin is, and far more -- Labor camps, cult of personality, suppression of all non-state-controlled media, the 'Great Firewall of China', pressuring foreign businesses like tech firms and universities to cooperate with that state censorship as the price of doing business in China, stealing any intellectual property not nailed down, cultural genocide in Tibet, mercantilist trade policies that are used as a geopolitical weapon, rapidly expanding military forces, threats to Japan, Taiwan and in the South China Sea, territorial claims in India, being North Korea's primary external enabler... it goes on and on.

My understanding is that the new Hungarian law would merely require 'NGOs' operating in Hungary to disclose if they have received any foreign funding. (Presumably that would apply to Russia too.) The fear seems to be that if Hungarian voters knew about the foreign money being poured into the country to influence their votes, it might make the NGOs' causes less attractive to voters.

Given the array of well-funded foreign organizations hoping to steer Hungarian domestic politics away from policies the foreigners don't like, organizations whose agendas may not be in the interest of the Hungarian people at all, it seems reasonable to me that voters learn who it is that's trying to influence them.

I'm very skeptical about that. It sounds like an internet rumor.

 

I am ashamed at how stupid the left has become. Washington Post is taking money from Russia and China to run fake news stories in their paper. The media black out on China, you know with the death camps and no freedom of religion. The hacking of our systems non-stop as well as the buying up anything and everything America. We need to all look away...that's right..look over at the Russians! The same people that can't even float half their naval vessels. The same people that get a sub stuck and can't move it because all the tugs keep breaking down.


The Biggest American Companies Now Owned by the Chinese | Fortune.com

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKPjhDYvkfg



The Chinese government is funding the purchase of our country right under our own noses and you guys keep taking the Muhhhh Ruusssiaa bait !!!!! Are you getting your news for the same networks that take millions from the Chinese?

Media Malpractice: China and Russia are Paying the Washington Post for Positive Press! – The Last Resistance

 

But are you any of these? Your recent posts suggest that you are either unaware of some controversies familiar to anyone with passing interest in the region, or trolling. Maybe both.

Not history. The present. And no, you do not have as much stake in Ukrainian events as I do. Unless you have close family there with no clear path to relocate. So Putin's adventurism can be source of hilarious humor for the dumber posters here, but not nearly as funny for me. Or, for that matter, for citizens of your NATO ally Netherlands who happened to have loved ones on MH17 flight.

 

I'm not sure what you mean by "threat"; it is quite clear Russia has much more influence on Hungarian politics than China.. or, for that matter, Soros. Then again, it is not clear to me what things might be clear to you.

And you have no guesses as to why? Really?

Write to your senator. Or open a thread that is not primarily about university in Hungary. Sheesh!
As an aside, it is interesting how many things on your list applies to Putin... correcting to much lesser capabilities in most things, and adding comical levels of corruption.

You confuse "voters" and "Orban". What do you know about how "foreign agents" law turned out in Russia?

Very interesting. Do you believe in Russian troops in Ukraine, South Ossetia, and Syria? How about Crimea?

 

Oh, I think I sense a bit of irritation here. I apologise if I was ever rude to you.

Now, you asked me for proof and then immediately assumed I didn't have any.

I haven't said that I believe I'm the only one here who knows Hungarian. I only said it's not exactly a disadvantage, and although we may disagree on other issues, I think we can agree on that.

That's you assuming I actually have less hands-on, direct information. What do you know about that?

Now, for what it's worth, here's a link to a report about violence against the Roma in Hungary.

https://cdn2.sph.harvard.edu/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/2014/02/FXB-Hungary-Report_Released-February-3-2014.pdf

 

I think Russia is primarily interested in destabilizing the European Union. United Russia's cooperation with the Freedom Party in Austria is another step towards the same goal.

If you say so. István Győrkös and the MNA seems like something more than just a rumour though.

 

And here is a basket of kittens. Clear proof to whatever say.

 

I don't think that Russia needs to. Angela Merkel and Jean Claude Juncker have done well enough destabilizing it themselves.

The EU could do wonders for its future survival by responding to Brexit by backing away from (instead of doubling down on) its "ever closer union" mantra. "Ever closer union" seems to have become a euphemism for demanding the elimination of individual EU members' sovereignty and national distinctiveness. Many voters in numerous EU members aren't comfortable with the goal of their countries becoming mere provinces in a super-state ruled by foreigners, and in their becoming minority populations in historic cities that used to be theirs. (There's also the problem that the Euro-zone was badly conceived, but that's another issue.)

My point is that the EU isn't in danger of collapsing due to anything that Vladimir Putin is doing. The EU is teetering because its elite leadership class is trying to impose their own utopian vision of a post-nationalist Europe on voters who still stubbornly identify with their individual countries and their own distinctive cultures, traditions and histories.

 

Well, Russia disagrees.

 

I'm not sure that it is an "either/or" proposition. Both can be true concurrently. I think that many people want to retain their national identities but I also think that Putin et al would like to get the band back together again, re-consolidate the former Soviet states again and push up against Eastern Europe in a more aggressive manner that would make them nervous. At the same time the refugee crisis is making people fearful (rightfully or not) about the changing demographics of their countries in a way that causes some to tighten borders, etc.

 

...making the EU a better bet for some countries to retain their national identities. I bet Belarussians who care about things like that wish they were in EU, rather than in the "Union State of Russia and Belarus" (this actually exists, at least on paper).

 

Sadly, Jobbik members don't seem to be alone in racism. Here's one of Viktor Orbán's Fidesz members:

(1) Pay your fine for racism,
(2) Go collect your prize

A quote: “in the case of driving over a Gypsy kid, we should step on the gas,”

Hungary gives award to writer fined for racism – POLITICO

J.

 

That would seem to be true by definition.

 

Long ago and far away...

I was in a company training class that included a young guy from Portugal. I expressed to him my doubts about the upcoming EU. In my reply to his asking why was that the French didn't want to be German and the Spanish didn't want to be Italian. That probably made more sense at the time than it does now and he got the message.

The OWLs (One-World Lunatics) of the EU will do more damage from within than Putin could manage from without.

 

Very interesting experience from the past. Hopefully Le Pen can pull things out in the next few weeks and we can put this nonsense to bed.

 

"He sounded like Jean-François Revel, a French socialist writer who talks about one of the great unexplained phenomena of modern astronomy: namely, that the dark night of fascism is always descending in the United States and yet lands only in Europe."

The Volokh Conspiracy - Tom Wolfe on Fascism:


Despite all buttspeak, Trump is far from being fascistic and Le Pen not so far. But I doubt that she'll be allowed to go so far if elected.