Breyer State University

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  1. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member

    Holy thread necromancy, Batman! A seven year old thread!
     
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  2. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member

    Darn! Does this mean that they no longer offer an MA in Animal Psychology?
     
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  3. LearningAddict

    LearningAddict Well-Known Member

    Just looked at the BSU website, and it appears that they're back to claiming fake accreditation, lol. But this time, they've gone all the way and selected four fake accreditors.
     
  4. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator

    Holy kitty litter Batman, my cat was planning on enrolling in that degree program!!!
     
  5. Randell1234

    Randell1234 Moderator

    Here is an upstanding guy. He has a DC which is real and respected (maybe not in everyones eyes) but then cheapens it with an NMD from BSU. So sad.

    He received his undergraduate BA from the University of Missouri in St. Louis and his Doctor of Chiropractic (D.C.) from Logan University where he graduated magna cu laude. He went on to receive his Doctor of Naturopathic Medicine (N.M.D.) from the American Naturopathic Medical Institute a division of Breyer State University in Los Angeles, California.
    Dr. George Springer, D.C., N.M.D., D.C.B.C.N | Lifeworks
     
  6. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member

    lol.......
     
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  7. LearningAddict

    LearningAddict Well-Known Member

    Smh. What in the world is wrong with these people? Writing a book on this sort of thing would probably get a person into a lot of trouble, but I'd love to see some in-depth information collection detailing just how many people are either:

    A. Holding a position (especially a high-paying or important role) with a only a fake degree.

    OR

    B. Holding a mix of real and fake degrees.
     
  8. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Well, they've previously "operated" from Idaho, Alabama and California. Now the school has apparently paid the "license" fee to be registered in Panama. It's claiming what amounts to one bogus accreditor for each present or former "location" I guess. I believe the Mastermind and Chief Architect of BSU has remained resident in Ohio throughout all these "moves."

    Tell me - did you expect otherwise from this "School?" "Back to claiming fake accreditation," you say? When did they ever not do so?

    Johann
     
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  9. LearningAddict

    LearningAddict Well-Known Member

    Of course I wouldn't expect them to be honest considering their long history of dishonesty. But claiming four fake accreditors is over the top even for a diploma mill, lol.
     
  10. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Actually, when you boil it all down, Breyer is claiming this:

    One unrecognized accreditor plus three memberships in organizations - none of which are recognized accreditors. I don't believe two of them even dabble in accreditation...and BSU is making no claims of accreditation from them.

    The one that might sometimes "accredit" is the AAHEA. I've read credible (to me) claims elsewhere, that AAHEA appears to be a "usurper" organization, opportunistically built on the venerable and worthy (140 years) AAHE, which is now unfortunately defunct. The AAHEA site says it offers "non-governmental" accreditation - i.e. unrecognized by CHEA or USDoE. Again, BSU is a member - it doesn't claim actual AAHEA "accreditation," as far as I can see.

    None of this mitigates the BSU situation or makes it one bit better than prevously painted, I might add. I can also see why someone might think Breyer had 4 kinds of accreditation. They've posted all this membership mumbo-jumbo on their "accreditation" page.

    Johann
     
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  11. LearningAddict

    LearningAddict Well-Known Member

    I recall a a period earlier in the year where they claimed no accreditation, stated they were unaccredited, and had a page of text offering the typical mill spin of why accreditation is only voluntary, blah blah blah. What's interesting is that they still left that language there but then are also again claiming (fake) accreditation at the same time.

    These people are nuts.
     
  12. LearningAddict

    LearningAddict Well-Known Member

    Well, according to the page, they're expressly claiming accreditation from two places: Education International, and the International Commission for Higher Education. Both of which are fake of course.

    They don't claim accreditation from the other two in direct words, but having them on the same page as the accreditation page with two other places that they're claiming accreditation from is an obvious tactic to bolster their image to the unsuspecting. But, of course, the other two accreditors are fake anyway, and one of the websites isn't even online. BSU is probably too busy stealing money from unenlightened students to bother fixing their fake links or finding another fake accreditor.
     
  13. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    My bad! As Learning Addict says, they do indeed claim accreditation from both Education International and the International Commission for Higher Education. As for one of the websites not being online -The ICFHE url was wrongly-spelled on the Breyer site and I got a 404, too. I just now corrected it and look a look at the proper link - www.icfhe.org

    Dead right - a fake indeed. ICFHE says they "accredited" BSU in 2008 and gave the location as Kamiah, Idaho. IIRC, this would be around the time BSU "returned" briefly to Idaho after its Alabama licence was not renewed and before its "departure" for California and long before its latest "move" to Panama. ICFHE has also "Accredited" such non-wonderful "schools" as "Pebble Hills University" and "Lacrosse University." We have some old threads on those two.

    And also - I believe the only time Breyer has not claimed some sort of unrecognized accreditation was during the long, long wait (almost 2 years, 2010 -2012) for California BPPE apporval that did not, of course, happen.

    Again - Learning Addict is perfectly right - 2 "accreditation" claims and 2 "membership" claims on the same page. -- And they're probably too busy counting money...

    Johann
     
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  14. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Sorry- duplicate post. Johann
     
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  15. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    BTW - Breyer State made no claims of "accreditation" while they were applying to California BPPE, because to have claimed illegitimate accreditation would have nixed their application forthwith.

    So, it looks like they played the game and stayed off the subject until the BPPE finally said "no." Once that was over -- back to the usual process.

    Johann
     
  16. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator

    Thanks to Johann and our other researchers for keeping things honest.
     
  17. CalDog

    CalDog New Member

    If so, this could possibly explain why BSU asks students to mail their tuition payments to a Warren, Ohio address.
     
  18. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member

    Darn! Does this mean they no longer have a 36 hr. MA in Divinity?
     
  19. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator

    I just started a non-degree granting school (and I mean about 5 minutes ago). It's the Kizmet Institute of Technology. If you want to learn something technological our team of instructors (who might all sound a bit like me) will offer instruction via email. The cost is $1.00USD per email. We have established a paypal account for the purposes of collecting "tuition." As an introductory offer we are offering 10 free emails on the topic of welding. That's 10 free emails which you can print out and show to people as evidence that (maybe) you've learned something. And if you order now, we'll throw in not just an email on brazing but also an email on soldering. Here at the Kizmet Institute of Technology we refer to this as out "Molten Metal Intro Offer." This is a time limited offer and so don't delay. Operators are standing by (actually they're all sitting but you know what I mean).:deal:
     
  20. Shawn Ambrose

    Shawn Ambrose New Member

    Same challenge as before:

    1. Who was your dissertation/applied project chair?

    2. How can I read your dissertation/applied project?

    If you benefited tremendously - you should have no problem sharing your research; after all, earning a doctorate is adding to the body of scholarly literature...
     

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