How would this degree be viewed outside of Oregon?

stay say

For illustrative reasons only, ok?

I do not want to take away from the topic, which is PhD degree; not MD.

But, imagine a corporation that invest many hundreds of thousands of dollars or maybe even small number of millions, ok?

The State Medical Board California says even if the student takes one subject, or obtain one credit from a medical school not approved by them, they cannot practice in california and they cannot work in california.

So I may have (1) credit from a non-california approved school.

I may have (1000000) credits from Harvard Medical School or an approved foreign medical school.

The one credit from the non-approved invalidated all of the other training and the elegibility along with it.

Now, the new incipient school in my above example, has been through the approval process of home government, has expenses, can begin operations and needs to............but it would have to wait until California approves it?????????????? I do not know if the school even needs a certain amount of time in operation BEFORE it can even apply for this "approval".

Aside from California and the states that follow california, the rest of the free world, follows other more respectful guidelines.
This is usually that the school be recognized by its government, be listed in the W.H.O. ..........but I can tell you that what the grand majority of the world population does not live in california, and therefore these guidelines are written by a minority.

 

joking right?

You are joking, right?


There is not one virtual medical school in the world, no matter how small the campus, how poor the campus, even if it's just an office, there is not such thing as a medical school locked inside a server.

You may want to look here :

www.ivimeds.org

and here to see partner institutions:

http://www.ivimeds.org/partner-links.html

Maybe you look here:

http://www.ivimeds.org/governance.html

and to your surprise look at the name that appear:

Donna Shalala
President, University of Miami,
Formerly US Secretary of Health and Human Services

The future of digital medical education being accepted by parts of the world, other than the USA is not far away.

Becareful of google searches.........the truth goes beyond what CNN or Newsweek tells the world.

 

st what

Bing,

You said "Many are run by less than................"

You then gave St. Christopher and St. Chris and two examples; any others?

 

Bullet:

Your point being? This is a DL site. No one is against legitimate DL. The website posted was against fraudulant DL and a few substandard traditional schools.

 

...

The more I learn, the more I realize I don't know anything!

Believe me, those with Ph.D.'s crap stinks too! It's just Piled higher and Deeper.

 

this is my point

My point is you referenced the HOMESTEAD site as to prove something; so what is your point?

 

Re: ...

LOL ...........DELTA

 

My point being? This is a DL site. No one is against legitimate DL. The website posted was against FRAUDULENT DL and a few substandard traditional schools.

 

very danger

FWD,

You are very smart person. Thank you for reply, that not cut off my head.

NO, the website you place here is not against fradulente DL education.

This site is against DL education period.

This site is against DL education in medicine, period.

We cannot speak of fradulent because the governments of these places are authorizing these schools to operate using these methods.

The creator feels that using DL to train a doctor candidate in Basic Science skill is fradulent. This is his right to feel this way, but it's not the true situation, this is why I show everyone the IVIMEDS link.

See, the big scare is that you can sit in your living room and become medical doktor. This is not possible in any school that offers DL medical education. What is possible is to learn certain parts of the Basic Science with the internet; but for clinical practice, hospitals and mentors are used.

Substandard medical education? i fear for these words in the caribbean medical schools. probably 70% of the student population is from US, ENGLAND, INDIA, NIGERIA, GHANA, UAE, etc....., and these students go back to these countries for the clinical science portion of medical education......if these students are passing the formalities of medical school, even going on to sit for PLAB and the USMLE and even passing them, even going on to do residency, and doing average to good, even going on to sit for state license exam, and passing this, but then being told that they will not obtain a license because they do part of there Basic Science on the internet (now probably 7 years ago), this is very absurd.

Anyway you like to create a different message thread and we can debate it, if you like, ok?

 

Re: st what

I've been looking at this foreign medical school for US medicine for many years. I actually thought about doing a dissertation on the topic of educating American doctors in foreign schools. I've been following how to set one up, who to bribe to get the WHO listing, what countries can be bribed for a license, how many cross affiliations you have to do to remain one step ahead of legit governments, etc.

Here is another one. The Medical College of London. Started by a former St. Chriser named Orien Tulp(professor out of drexel). His partner was a former Grace University(affiliated with a school on St. Lucia) faculty member and Grace then was delisted from WHO. When Grace dried up they started a cross affiliation with USAT. USAT has their own issues at this time.
Here is a rather nice(nicest you will find) article from the GMC on MCL... http://www.gmc-uk.org/news/current/mcl.htm

For the most part, these schools, and many like them, are mainly enrolling Indians, Arabs, South Americans, and a few Americans with the main goal of getting to the U.S. to be physicians. They will tell you anything to stay afloat. MCL is basically in big money trouble now and how for the life of me can they keep admitting American students when they are not WHO listed which will not allow people to get a license. You can do a week in Montserrat on a rotation and spend a lot of money in UK rotations. However, you are not going to get greenbook rotations here and you need those. Of course, Kigezi did the same thing. They knew they were choking but still kept taking the tuition from new students. Kigezi just tried to get a renewal on their license but were refused in Africa due to their problems in the UK.

If you are interested in attending one of these medical schools just beware and try to stick to AUC, SGU, Ross, Saba, Guadalajara, or maybe St Matthews. The big three have good affiliations here and can get you into greenbooks. SGU the best, though.

Another practice that has been a killer for some students is transfers. For instance, Ross has had several people transfer from their school to St. Christopher's. Once there, though, they have had to repeat some classes because Ross refused to release transcripts. None of these schools like it when you transfer and a big risk you take is that you might have to repeat, god forbid, the basic medical sciences.

Ross tried to get away with the Wyoming liberal education laws a few years back. They established a medical school campus in Wyoming to do basic medical sciences. This did not sit so well with the AMA. That plan eventually faded into the past. Good try, though.

St. Matthews has a program now where one only has to be in the islands for a short time. Then, you transfer to Maine for a master's degree...continuing your basic sciense training in a Maine college. I wonder when this approach is going to be shut down. It's been going for a few years, though.

 

First of all, I think that we need to be clear about what credential evaluators are telling us. They are telling us whether or not the foreign degree syllabus resembles an American one, not inspecting the foreign university and declaring it academically sound.

Regarding whether or not graduate study at MUA is 'worthwhile', that's a question that only you can answer. Additional study is almost always worthwhile, and if you think that what MUA offers is valuable to you, then cool. That's your decision.

But regarding 'useable', things become considerably tougher. Now the question isn't just whether the program will be worthwhile to you, but how other people will respond to it.

I can imagine (at least) two cases:

1. An employer is seeking advanced expertise, probably in certain well-defined research areas. The university faculty hiring that I've seen fit that description, as did doctoral-level hiring by a biotech firm.

2. An employer just specifies a Ph.D., any Ph.D., it doesn't really matter. That's hard for me to imagine, but perhaps its some kind of educational incentive pay that's being treated as a mere formality.

In the first case, the employer will be interested in where you went to school, what your department is doing in the area of interest, what work you personally did, who you did it with, and so on. That's one of the reasons why Google is useful. You can find out what's happening in university departments and what the response to it is outside the department.

The problem with MUA is that (as Gertrude Stein said about Oaktown) there's no there there. There seems to be little visible sign of any scholarly or research activity. So evaluation or no evaluation, it just isn't going to impress people in a selective hiring situation.

In the second case, the employer apparently doesn't care about specific expertise or any of the rest of that stuff. All that matters is accreditation status (and maybe not even that). Would MUA work in that kind of situation? Maybe. Would a credential evaluation make it more likely to work? Perhaps, but it's hard to say how much. Those kind of questions would depend on the employer's specific personnel policies and on why it wants to hire somebody with a doctoral degree in the first place.

 

Bullet said:
"NO, the website you place here is not against fradulente DL education.

This site is against DL education period.

This site is against DL education in medicine, period."


Bullet,
Scroll down a bit and you will see this:

"As is usual, there may be some hope. Traditional universities have formed a group to study the blending of online training and traditional study ways._ But the schools will not be 100% online and will not give advanced credit for non-medical school credits._ I believe that the difference in this is that it is being done by schools under study. See their webpage at:
The Internet Virtual Medical School
http://www.ivimeds.org/index.html"


And thanks for the nice comments. This whole offshore med DL is I admit out of my area but I have learned how to read the warning signs regarding DL schools thanks to the people at this website.

 

INKA COLA

FWD,

I will create new thread in accredited versus unaccredited to not dilute this wonder posting.

Thank you.

 

Laferny

Good luck in your studies Laferny! Do you have a background in Health Science? Is that why the Ph.D at MUA is appealing to you?

 

Thanks Delta:
YES I do have a health care background as APRN,BC in Adult Psychiatric nursing and as a Licensed mental health counselor. and that is why MUA appeals to me.

 

You might want to check into University of Utah. They have a PhD in nursing that is a distance/external program.

http://www.nurs.utah.edu/programs/phd_distance/

 

Thanks -I'll check it out.

 

Doctor

Laferney,
What are the ramifications of your patients calling you doctor?

BTW, I'm an APRN student working on a 2nd masters degree. I have to admit the MUA Ph.D. looks appealing to me as well.

Nova Southeastern University has a Doctor of Health Science (DHSC) online with 60 credits and no dissertation. However, the tuition will probably run close to 30K!

 

Re: Doctor

I'm no nurse or physician. However, my business takes me to a few hospitals where I work with nurses and physicians. I know two nurses at a clinic who have PhD's. Neither are called "doctor" in the hospital setting. They are always referred to as Nurse "X" or Nurse "Y". It's like the only place where a PhD seems to not have the title of doctor. Now, when they come down to the HQ they are sometimes referred to as Doctor "x" or Doctor "Y" but not at the hospital or clinic. Probably if they move into the administration scene they might take on that title.

 

Because I'm a male, wear a tie and prescribe meds patients often call me Dr. even though I always introduce myself as an Advanced Practice RN and wear a name tag with my title on it. I frquently correct them. It wouldn't be proper to be called a Dr. if a nurse was in this role who had a doctorate. It might be seen as misrepresentation. The exception are licensed psychologists who must have a doctorate (Psy.D, Ph.D or Ed.D to be licensed. In a couple of states psychologists can prescribe meds which I suppose could get them confused with MDs by patients.