"Year of our Lord"?

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  1. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member

    Which group within Lutheranism would an arch-conservative Lutheran belong to?
    The Lutheran Church Missouri Synod? Or so I thought.
    Certainly not the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America?
    Maybe the Conservative Lutheran Association?
    The Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod?
    The Lutheran Brethren?
    Any other subgroups within Lutheranism that I ought to know about?
     
  2. Deb

    Deb New Member

    Re: Re: "Year of our Lord"?

    Soon, I hope, so us heathens can quit hearing about it.
     
  3. RobbCD

    RobbCD New Member

    The LCMS is so conservative that, in the PA congregation of my father, women may not even stand behind the lecturn.

    When my daughter was born I had her babtised in the local ELCA New England Synod Church by a woman Pastor.

    Funny what having a daughter will do for a guy, I'll be keeping her far from the LCMS.

    "There I stood, here I stand. I could do no other."
     
  4. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    "Here I stand; I can no other." Wasn't that Archbishop Cramner? Who, by the way, HAD done "other" on several occasions in the past?

    It wasn't Martin Luther, was it?
     
  5. RobbCD

    RobbCD New Member

    Here I stand; I can do no other. God help me. Amen!

    Sure was.
     
  6. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member

    I don't know if Archbishop Cranmer said it or not. But certainly Martin Luther said it. Otherwise, why would the eminent Roland Herbert Bainton, Professor of Church History at Yale University have entitled his Martin Luther biography _Here I Stand_?
     
  7. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Oh, okay. ML it was, then. Cramner must've been the one to put his hand in the fire, saying that because it had been that hand that signed some religious document or other, it would be the first to burn.

    You know, people took religion really seriously in those days!
     
  8. uncle janko

    uncle janko member

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    Hi Deb:

    I'm sick of it too. I get awfully tired of politicised so-called conservative Christians seizing on some bit of public utterance and making it a test of whether the US is a "Christian nation." I also get sick of so-called tolerant leftists having a blerrie fit whenever anyone mentions anything religious at all. Both exhibit a weird kind of verbal fetishism.

    Occasionally someone just runs amok and giggles and postures. This happens whenever I mention Lutheranism. Somebody does a Beavis-and-Butthead routine. Oh well. So how 'bout you and I sit at the grownups' table with the ous while the little ones go bosbefok?

    Cordially,
    Janko
     
  9. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member

    Re: Re: Re: Re: "Year of our Lord"?

    I suppose that if humanoids had brains no more developed than those of ants, our educational system would be mere pre-programmed instinct. Whatever works for the species.
     
  10. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member

    Indeed. As I pointed out in a previous thread, it is entirely possible to believe that God created things to evolve.
     
  11. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member

    Re: Re: "Year of our Lord"?

    Judeo-Christian context? "Our Lord" is Christ Jesus? Hmm. I would think that there are many Jews who do not acknowledge Christ Jesus as their long-awaited Messiah. Granted there are some Messianic Jews, but I suspect that they are a distinct minority and, besides, not all Messianic Jews choose Jesus of Nazareth as their Messiah.
     
  12. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member

    Well, I think the ancient Egyptians got it right when they worshipped cats as gods. So, the Year of our Lord is the Year of the Cat, apparently.
     
  13. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member

    Of course, I once saw on Jerry Springer this guy who insisted that his pet rat was God. So, for him at least, the Year of our Lord was the Year of the Rat.
     
  14. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member

    Are we saying that it is okay to oppress women before siring a daughter but not afterward?
     
  15. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    My sixteen pound tabby cat is certainly an auto-theist. Did you guys know that goddesses can SHED something fierce? :D

    BTW, I have long suspected that most Messianic Jews may well be messianic but are not Jews in any halakic sence.
     
  16. RobbCD

    RobbCD New Member

    I'm saying that I don't remember caring all that much about the oppression of women until the situation became personal for me.

    Liken it to an evangelical christian conversion.


    I've since gotten an undergraduate certificate in Women's Studies from UCONN. I am trying to atone.
    As the feminists say "The personal is political".
     
  17. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member

    So are Nikki ans Stormy and Snowflake and kitten.
     
  18. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member

    What is the halakic sense?
     
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  19. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member

    The Trojans, breakers of horses, represented the sea god Poseidon (Roman Neptune) as a horse. So perhaps, for some, the Year of our Lord is the Year of the Horse. Having worked on my father's Arabian horse farm for five years, I can definitively say that the notion of the horse as a god is extremely accurate --- at least for them flighty Arabians, especially my favorite, Phaym.
     
  20. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Under traditional Jewish law, a Jew is someone who either:

    -is born to a Jewish mother (father doesn't matter); or

    -is accepted by a Jewish court as a convert.

    The American Reform movement changed the law for itself. Under Reform law, a Jew is someone who either:

    -has one Jewish parent AND is raised and educated AS a Jew; or

    -is accepted by a Jewish court as a convert.

    Conversion has its own extensive and burdensome legal requirements that vary according to the views of each movement and the individual rabbis comprising the court.
     

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