Would you tarnish your reputation for the sake of getting a PhD?

Discussion in 'Nursing and medical-related degrees' started by AsianStew, Oct 16, 2022.

  1. AsianStew

    AsianStew Moderator Staff Member

    There were threads on PhD's and Quantum Physics or Therapy, etc and I came across this by email... somewhat well known in the NBA/sports world is this person who holds a valid master's and undergrad degrees, but they went "overboard" with their education going for Quantum University's Natural Medicine Doctorate & PhD. I mean, he's "solid" in terms of his experience and university education but just for a PhD he went the "non-accredited" route.

    Would you or wouldn't you go for this? I would NOT, there are similarly priced Nationally Accredited programs at about 25k-30k USD for the entire Doctorate! Again, NA by DEAC...
  2. JBjunior

    JBjunior Active Member

    In just 14 months! Such an accomplishment!?
  3. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    "Would you tarnish your reputation for the sake of getting a PhD?"
    Not from this place! Oxford? Oh, probably.
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  4. JoshD

    JoshD Well-Known Member

    Not even Oxford would have me tarnish my reputation. Ones reputation goes far beyond where they went to school and for me, I hold it in higher regards than my education.
  5. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    That's wise, Josh. Your career in banking is built on handling other people's money and assets. You've earned their trust, and I respect that. My situation at 80 is ... a little different. :) To paraphrase Dennis Rodman - I can be "as bogus as I want to be." :) I come here and do that, daily. Harmlessly so, I hope.
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  6. Alpine

    Alpine Active Member

    When the USDE decided to simplify accreditation, I felt a degree from anything other than an RA school was garbage. I debated whether I would be "tarnishing" my career in healthcare by obtaining a doctorate from an NA school. After careful consideration, I came to the realization that knowledge is the goal and to me, utility was a big factor. With that said, I drew the line not enrolling in startup schools with cosmic, bizarre names. The DHA offered by the Virginia University of Lynchburg is TRACS accredited, 140-year-old Christian College, HBCU, with highly credentialed faculty, and even a college football team. The tuition was affordable and the quality of education was outstanding. Is my reputation tarnished by adding an NA degree alongside my master's from a top-notch medical school? Ans: Absolutely not!
  7. Alpine

    Alpine Active Member

  8. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    You only need to take an end-of-course exam for their doctoral-level courses, and they're awarding a professional doctorate and PhD for one program. This school is a diploma mill that teaches quackery.
  9. datby98

    datby98 Active Member

    Quantum University looks like a sophisticated version of Blue Marble University.
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  10. LearningAddict

    LearningAddict Well-Known Member

    You may learn some things from a program like this, or maybe it's entirely bull. But if you're going to do this, at least have the understanding to not list it or make it public. You have to know going in that it's not going to help your reputation for others to know about it.
  11. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    All true - but those who are seriously attracted to this program will not likely care.
  12. ArielB

    ArielB Member

    "Natural Medicine" is complete woo anyway, regardless of school.
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  13. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Don't want any "Woo-like symptoms" at my age. So I get my "Woo-shot" every year. :)
  14. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    Natural medicine has value but at least in Canada, Doctor of Naturopathic Medicine is a regulated profession so you need an accredited degree plus passing a national exam to practice. Naturopathic doctors get similar training as regular doctors except that they specialize in non pharmaceutical medicine but they still can perform minor medical procedures and prescribe medicine like anti biotics.
    Quantum medicine or Quantum touch is a rebranded version of energy medicine such as Reiki. There is scientific evidence that helps people to relax and for stress reduction just like a regular a massage but getting a Doctorate is just non sense as this requires mainly hours of practice and a certificate would be more than enough.
    In Canada at least, you are not allowed to call your sell Dr. with a PhD in Natural Medicine to protect the public.
    I have nothing against alternative medicine as complementary medicine as it has value but many of these schools are just using something popular like Quantum Mechanics and then with no evidence they call it Quantum medicine. In a way, all the medicine that uses electrical technology is also Quantum as electronics are based on Quantum mechanics, doing some energy medicine and call it quantum is just non sense but marketing. If I am a regular person looking for alternative treatment, I can fall into Quantum medicine as thinking that is something new and then get disappointed when all I get is a massage or energy healing.

    Sometimes a walk in the park or just contact with nature does the same thing. Maybe save yourself some money and just have some contact with nature before using a Quantum doctor.
  15. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    There is a lot of fraud but there is value, many medical treatments are just natural like diets, changing life style, stress reduction, etc. However, regular doctors also prescribe natural treatments and at least in Canada, many traditional doctors try you to use natural treatments before using prescription drugs so in a way many regular doctors also use the natural approach. In general, I am all for naturopathic medicine as long is supervised and regulated by professional colleges to prevent whohoo doctors from taking money from people. I paid myself many times for whohoo doctors in psychic medicine, quantum touch, etc with no results but i have tried with results real naturopaths that worked with me for stress reduction, life style changes, etc that really worked.
  16. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    I think you have to understand that people that go for this type of programs are not the academic type. If I have degrees from solid schools and I am interested in Quantum medicine, I just go to a local alternative medicine school and get a certificate for few thousand dollars, I dont need the name of Quantum university because I might have degrees from Solid known schools. This type of schools target people with little academic background that search for credibility. I will be willing to pay the 30K if I have nothing to show and need a credential to sell my services. At least in Canada, it is not illegal to put in your business card a PhD from an unaccredited school as long as you dont call yourself Dr. As Quantum medicine is not regulated, I can call myself Quantum alternative therapist and put a PhD in my business card and then join a bogus alternative medicine association. I always advice people that look for this services to check with their insurance if the alternative professional is credentialed for this type of service and ask the professional if they hold a membership in a professional college or association that requires them to hold liability insurance and it is recognized by some kind of authority.
    I followed few lectures of Simon Atkin, he has interesting lectures in risk management for weather (https://www.linkedin.com/in/simonatkinsafc/) but he decided to get an alternative medicine doctorate from an unaccredited school (IBAM) just to be called Dr. For every lecture that he gives, someone questions his IBAM doctorate and he spends good 10 to 15 minutes defending the doctorate. He holds solid credentials, he wanted the Dr. Title but he is paying for this with constant attacks. I think the same would be for anyone with a PhD from Quantum University that wants to do solid work, you would be attacked all the time with this type of credential.
  17. AsianStew

    AsianStew Moderator Staff Member

    Ouch, I feel for the guy, but there really isn't a need to go that route, I just clicked onto that linkedin, the person also has another doctoral degree from a different institution, CCNH! If I guess correctly, that's Clayton College of Natural Health! The person just shot himself in the foot, twice instead of once with that now!
  18. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    He is a speaker at many conferences. The issue is that most speakers nowadays have a PhD, the IBAM degree is non-accredited but recognized to practice as a reiki healer, massage therapist, etc in India (at least his argument). I don't doubt that IBAM or Quantum University qualify you to be a massage therapist or energy healer, but they don't qualify you to be a scientist that can give an expert opinion in a recognized scientific field. It is an ethical issue, a PhD in Quantum Medicine gives the impression of someone that has done very rigorous training in quantum mechanics, physics and medicine and not someone who is just an expert in energy healing and positive thinking like quantum touch or positive psychology. The school is recognized by many bogus alternative medicine associations that have no standing when it comes to licensing as a naturopathic doctor in the US or Canada (https://quantumuniversity.com/how-it-works/#accreditation)
  19. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    I do. Massage therapy is generally regulated, with certification occurring at the state level. Is this school approved to train massage therapists in any states? In Nevada, for example, one must complete a 500-hour training program at an approved school in order to be licensed.
  20. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    So in Canada, what i meant is that these programs might cover the theoretical part but you still need to do the practical part and for this you better join a school with the right setting and not online learning. Quantum University is also very deceptive in their marketing, they say you can practice with the degree in some states if you satisfy licensing requirements but most of the requirements require supervised experience something that it cannot be done so easily online. In few words, I think these programs seem to be more to satisfy the needs of a person like Simon Atkin that need the Dr. Title so they can sell books and conferences and not so much interested in doing massage therapy or reiki healing. Atkin claimed that he did a Doctorate in Biolectromagentism at IBAM, this is a complex subject and I doubt IBAM has qualified faculty to supervise this complex subject that is also not covered in Alternative Medicine.

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