What if the Electors Change their Vote on Monday? Could Hillary Reach 270?

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  1. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Also, me again: your fellow Trump supporters technically include the Klan. Do you want to be held accountable for their antics? If not, why are you bringing up that random woman and her husband? I know why: it's called "double standard".
     
  2. 03310151

    03310151 New Member


    I never believe any of these stories. Whether they come from the good guys (liberals) or the bad guys (conservatives). It's usually lazy self serving flapdoodle with whatever the boogeyman of the moment is, as the central character.
     
  3. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    How is the woman a victim? A victim of what?
     
  4. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    The Jihad ideology needs to be addressed. For example, the ideology that the only way to be guaranteed access to heaven is to die while killing infidels (such as Jews, Christians and non-Muslims who refuse to accept or convert to Islamism) -- needs to be addressed. The Jihad ideology is having a destructive global impact.
     
  5. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    Stanislav, thank you for agreeing that Americans who support Trump are not deplorable assholes.
     
  6. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    The incident was shared at this forum because it was amazing to see in-person. There is clearly a battle between light and darkness -- and light has won.
     
  7. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    That's a good point. That's why it was good to document on video the anti-Trump protesters:
    - destroying police cars by smashing out windows, spray painting on them, etc.
    - punching and kicking Trump supporters without provocation

    It's all on video. It's more than just "flapdoodle boogeymen." It's documented. There is no excuse for violence or criminality.
     
  8. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    There's a video of a room full of dudes throwing g a Nazi salute while chanting ' Heil Trump'. Or a procession of kids carrying Trump Pence sign chantin 'white power'. If by saying 'light' you refer to skin tone, you might be onto something.
    Willful blindness is such a willful blindness.
     
  9. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    You're welcome, and thanks for not disputing that Trump is one. Yes, doing one shitty thing does not make all of you assholes. But don't be surprised when people affected by your choice assume you are in factassholes.
     
  10. heirophant

    heirophant Well-Known Member

    I live near San Jose California, and I always knew that if I EVER appeared in public wearing a Donald Trump t-shirt or hat, I'd very likely have been physically assaulted. If I displayed any Trump signs on my home, my home would probably have been vandalized. Trump's opponents were so filled with moral self-righteousness and the conviction that they are the good-guys and their opponents the personifications of pure evil, that they don't care who they hurt in the name of "good". It was (and is) actually scary.

    It isn't just my paranoid fantasies either. When Trump appeared for a campaign event at the San Jose convention center, hundreds of rioters (many waving Mexican flags) crowded around the exits, knocking down and beating up people leaving the event. They crowded around Trump supporters' cars leaving the parking garage, blocking them, smashing windows and jumping up and down on top of them. The police didn't do much to intervene and tended to back away from confrontations with the crowd, while San Jose's mayor (a Democrat and Hillary supporter) blamed Trump for the violence, saying "At some point Donald Trump needs to take responsibility for the irresponsible behavior of his campaign."

    I don't think that they realized the message that kind of behavior sent to the rest of America and how it won Trump more votes.
     
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  11. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Hmmm, maybe there was something about Trump, the candidate, triggering these passions? Santa Clara County is about 30% Hispanic, right? Also, do you need a link to a video of Trump saying a variation of "punch the crap out of him" on multiple rallies?
    Your guy won by turning the heat up to 11, with your help; funny how now you complain about it.

    Oh no. You can't dodge responsibility like that. The main reason you have the most unqualified incoming President in history is his voters voting for him. Not some bad guys who "made you do it". I guess it makes sense that a disproportionate number of crybabies flocked to a faux strongman's camp, but it is still surprising.

    Meanwhile, do you think Putin was at least somewhat emboldened by Trump win? (note: there are reports that Putin blames 2011 Bolotnaya Square protests personally on Hillary Clinton. He's wrong there, but that's how he feels.) If this is the case, then you guys have Aleppo and Ukraine blood on your hands.
     
  12. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    Yes, you are correct: many DNC proponents have blamed Trump for the criminal activities of the anti-Trump protesters e.g. rioting, vandalizing police cars, burning newspaper bins, punching Trump supporters, etc. DNC leadership blames Trump for the criminal behaviors of anti-Trump Democrats. No worries. There will be a strong eight years of presidential leadership under Trump, followed by four more years under Pence. Political trials and tribulations will come, but the Trump administration will continue to be a wrecking ball that tears down political correctness, immoral financial enterprises and blowhard lobbying. The next 12 years will be solid -- and good.
     
  13. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    "Fake News Script"

    Your observations and analysis are sound, although it deviates from the "fake news script" that is being forced on the American public by MSNBC, CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, New York Times, etc. It appears that the vast majority of the American public can see through the oligarchical-controlled mainstream media, which has lost all credibility and is being effectively circumvented (and maybe eclipsed) by non-traditional media outlets, such as Fox News, YouTube and numerous other internet outlets. The political oligarchy cannot stop this mass exchange and communication-of-information, unless the onus oligarchy destroys the First Amendment. The founding fathers of the United States were brilliant for creating the Amendments to the Constitution!
     
  14. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Good job missing the point. I was referring to the fact Trump ran by being offensive to many different groups of people, including Latinos. So acting dense and surprised when people did take offense, in some cases maybe lashing out on Trump supporters (not a sound thing to do) is disingenuous at best. I'd really wish you guys would cut it out. BTW, if you were not posting here for a long time I'd start wondering: this is exactly the technique paid Russian discussion trolls from Olgino use (Russia hired internet trolls to pose as pro-Trump Americans.

    You realise there is exactly zero evidence any of that would happen, and many worrying indicators of the contrary? How are you guys supposed to feel about Goldman Sachs this week, huh? Did he lobby Argentina on his hotel permits during congratulatory call from their Pres? Are you comfortable with Rick Perry in charge of nuclear arsenal? Did Donald make money on his Treasury pick comments about privatising Fannie and Freddy? Does his State Dept. pick stand to get pension boost if Russian sanctions are lifted (and Exxon resumes work on Northern Sea field)?
     
  15. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    Fake News Scripts

    1. The leftist media said that there were WMDs in Iraq. None were found, nor any evidence of any. It was the oligarch's "fake news script" (disseminated by the oligarch's mainstream media).

    2. The leftist media said that Russia tried to influence Americans to vote for Trump. No evidence has been provided. It is the oligarch's "fake news script" (disseminated by the oligarch's mainstream media).

    Manipulative "fake news scripts" were used by the Nazi Party too, as was disclosed during the Nuremberg trials:

    "Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger."

    -- Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials
     
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  16. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    *Mic drop*
     
  17. heirophant

    heirophant Well-Known Member

    In elections supporters of candidate A will often disagree with some of the positions taken by opposing candidate B. Sometimes that disagreement can become very emotional.

    But feeling passionate doesn't justify either campaign's supporters physically attacking the opposing campaign's supporters in hopes of making it impossible for them to hold their campaign events and participate in the democratic process. Trying to silence political opponents because you disagree with their views is an attack on the democratic process itself.
     
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  18. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    The anti-Trump rioters decided to use violence in lieu of civility. Their violent actions are the antithesis to civilization. The Gestapo also believed in violence against dissenters of the party line.
     
  19. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

  20. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    #1 is hilarious.
    Both in #1 and #2, you somehow call the CIA "the leftist media". Sure, whatever.

    But this is not even relevant. It is not in any way a secret that Trump is Putin's preferred candidate. You can get it from, Idunno, the Russian media (for your convenience, there's the RT network, formerly Russia Today, in English), or by the fact that Russia is the only major country where polls showed a huge preference for Trump over Clinton (Kremlin's control of the media in Russia is nigh absolute). Also, it is a simple fact that Russians hate hate hate Hillary, for at least two reasons. First, she's Bill's wife, and Bill's tenure as President is now considered time of national humiliation in Russia. Second, the modern mythology states that any dissent in Russia (and their "sphere of influence") is supported by the U. S. State Department, or "Gosdep". "Gosdep" is basically the Devil in the Putin cult; Victoria Nuland and Jane Psaki are much more famous in Russia than at home. Hillary was the head of "Gosdep"; even worse, she's a woman ergo out of line, and in her time at the helm the Bolotnaya protests happened (ergo, they are her fault: remember, "Gosdep" is evil and all-powerful!).
    Given all that, it's utterly unimportant whether Russians hacked the Podesta emails or not (even if not: I bet someone at FSB claimed credit and got a medal and the next rank). Putin still, very likely, felt emboldened when Trump won. So, you guys are partially responsible for the death of 19 Ukrainian heroes in Donetsk Region, as well as probably hundreds of civilians in Aleppo. Kudos.
     

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