Very unusual Doctorate at Harrison Middleton University (DETC school)

(With apologies to Mr. Edwards, whose earlier posts this adapts almost verbatim

There are thousands of truck driving schools where you can apply to teach where a DETC Masters of Natural Science isn't going to hurt you. If you don't like this fact you can you can come up with complicated circle arguments against it. I added up the total number of truck driving schools. You may not like the implications of the data, and come up with straw-man arguments against it, but data is data.

 

Um. No?

Do you mean Regional Accrediting Agencies (odd term and all) or do you mean State Agencies? Because your terminology here is, at best, way way off. There is no equals sign between those two terms and the first is a self referential definition.

 

Wow look at the personal attacks! I think thee is off in the woods dear sir!

I, for one, would never attack or demean folks who teach the CDL courses at any school. I suppose you think you are better than all that. I actually taught CDL courses for about 8 years, but then to you that must make me what, uneducated? You may retract at your leisure kind sir.

I am off to discuss the merits of something called a double click. Seems like a cool invention.

 

I spoofed your use of poisoning the well/appeal to ridicule by almost directly quoting you. If you've been attacked, it's by your own words.

I wouldn't and didn't attack or demean commercial drivers or their trainers. I've taken some commercial driver training myself. The instructors and examiners do critically important work and I value it.

The point is that we were talking about employment opportunities for doctorally-trained liberal arts teachers, and you presented that "3,000+" count of NA schools as if it were something like a count of NA schools that hire liberal arts teachers. In fact a large part of that 3,000+ – I think a large majority but I don't have your list to check directly – consists of schools like truck driving schools, cosmetology schools, etc., that simply don't hire doctorally-trained instructors to teach liberal arts.

The number was data, but in the context of job opportunities for doctorally-trained liberal arts teachers it was so irrelevant as to be junk data.

 

You should apologize for attacking folks who teach vocational and lower division programs. Your arguments are both incorrect and narrow.

There are also 33,000++ primary and secondary education schools where the degree could be useful. :eek2:

I get that you want so so bad to be right about this. It is easy to be a hater, I understand. I forgive you.

 

I never did this and I never would. I critiqued your reasoning and your debating tactics on this thread with an analogy to truck driving schools.

Please identify any factual mistake.

We agree.

Why do you repeatedly personally belittle your opponents?

Just now, I was making fun of your posts for being ridiculous based very directly on the content of the posts. "With apologies to Mr. Edwards," I said, which I hoped indicated I was being sporting and playful.

Here I'm pretty sure you're going to a different level by painting a caricature of your opponent's unappealing personal motivations, pride, then tut-tutting about it.

In a similar way you've repeatedly personally belittled sanantone.

 

I was being sarcastic. But If I wanted to complete a NA degree I'd do it and wouldn't care how anybody felt.

 

I know. And more power to you!

 

You did by mocking people who teach at those schools and the type of education they would need. You should offer apologies.

sanantone, it turns out, decided to admit that he falsely represented himself to get student loan money. You can defend those actions all you want, I wont. He also chooses to believe things that I do not find to be true. Just because you agree with him does not make a critique a mocker, and further if you really believe I did that and then you emulate the action, you add hypocrisy to your list of actions. But at least we all now know that your attacks against me are personally motivated and why, thank you for sharing that.

 

When we starting? You and I together at HMU.

 

I don't know how I can make this more clear.

We were talking employment prospects in teaching for graduates of the Great Books Doctor of Arts from Harrison Middleton University. You introduced a headcount of NA schools that are heavily or mostly non-degree, no-general-education vo-tech schools as if it were a headcount consisting heavily of NA schools that hire liberal arts professors. These schools do important work and I respect them greatly.

What I'm critiquing is the way you bought this number in to our discussion of job prospects for liberal arts professors.

Once again,

(a) enrolling in a degree-seeking student category at one school
≠ (b) agreeing that you have no intention to transfer out.

Sanantone did (a) but did NOT do (b). Your claim that she falsely represented herself rests on the premise that she did (b). She didn't. You've libelled her. I don't believe you've libelled her intentionally, but through poor reasoning.

This passage confuses me. I think it's hard to parse either because it's intellectually sophisticated, or because it's the opposite.

 

Only if Ed comes along. Our dialogues will be to those of Socrates as NA schools are to… okay, never mind.

 

Did you not look at the link I posted? Since you had a hard time seeing it, I'll post it again.
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I already showed you proof that I could not have enrolled as a transient student. If I had enrolled as a transient student, THEN I would have misrepresented myself. Further proof that you did not comprehend what I wrote, I did not need student loans for the CC; I received grant money. According to the college's own rules, I was properly categorized as a degree-seeking student. Now, you're just intentionally libeling me and will be reported.

Jonathan Whatley is just saying that it is overkill to spend $20k for a doctorate to teach at schools that don't require a doctorate to teach and/or don't offer any liberal arts classes. It most likely won't hurt you, but it won't help you either. There is the small chance that it can hurt you because you would be way overqualified. A lot of these vocational/technical schools only require a bachelors or less to teach.

I actually do have a CDL and drove for a little while. I am not the least bit offended by Jonathan's comments.

 

No big deal at all. It is nice to see links to facts. I like facts.

 

No worries, it is the former, and this apparently is why you are struggling properly engaging me. I am impressed you know who Socrates is though, good for you. You can study more about him when you enroll in the DA.

 

See, you are just being openly hostel. I said, "Do you mean Regional Accrediting Agencies.." (the term listed on your link), and instead of you saying "yes that one", you accuse me of "having a hard time seeing it". You continue to personally attack me and accuse me of low reading skills. You should apologizes. Ponder this before you reply. If you were so incorrect in responding to this post, how incorrect have your other post been? You have an aha moment coming..

 

You reap what you sow. You started personally attacking me months ago.

Besides the mix up of one state accrediting agency being listed under NA instead of RA like the rest of the state accrediting agencies, it's funny how no one else had trouble understanding my "terminology."

Everyone makes a mistake occasionally. You're wrong on a regular basis.