Upset aboot Canada!!!

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  1. rmm0484

    rmm0484 Member

    Hello!

    Is no one worried about the attacks on Canada? I work at a large funny shaped building near DC, for a group of people not known for their timidity. At work, all day long, the TV was blaring news about the various attacks on Canada, and no one seemed to bat an eyelash! These attacks are in response to ISIS calling for local jihads from home grown terrorists and individuals!
     
  2. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    The incidents are, most definitely, troubling and tragic, but I don't see any wider implication for them. Unfortunately, if you took off the whole extremist Islamic angle, these would be more commonplace 'gee, that's sad' news blips that we would instantly forget about and would swear to have never heard of if asked years later.

    My heart goes out to the loved ones of the dead.
     
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  3. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Well, if nothing else, from what I've read your big five-sided building has much better security than Parliament Hill.
     
  4. TEKMAN

    TEKMAN Semper Fi!

    Because the Canadian Government has restrict gun control law. That means policies and regulations stop the bad guy with guns, so no restrict security requires.
     
  5. airtorn

    airtorn Moderator

    Oh, that bolded part is funny.
     
  6. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    Where do people get this idea that guns aren't common in Canada? They have stricter gun laws, but they aren't so strict that they stop millions of people from legally owning guns. There are almost 10 million guns in Canada...31 guns per capita. However, they do have a lower firearm-related homicide rate than the U.S.
    Fact-checking Michael Moore: Does Canada have more guns per capita than the US? - National | Globalnews.ca
    List of countries by firearm-related death rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
     
  7. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    There are 35 million people in Canada, making that .28 guns per capita. That is, less than 1 gun for every 3 people in Canada VS approximately 1 gun for every person in the United States.

    Now, this depends on what you mean by "common", which can be interpreted subjectively. There may be a whole heck of a lot of guns there, but there are also a whole heck of a lot more guns here.

    I don't know if there is any relevance here, but the US has 3 times as many guns per capita, but about 5 times the firearm death rate (including accidents & suicides) than Canada.
     
  8. LearningAddict

    LearningAddict Well-Known Member

    I'm more worried that random nutjobs are able to run up and take out trained soldiers.
     
  9. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    Are Canadian soldiers armed or unarmed? He was shot at pointblank range and if he was unarmed, then he never had a chance. CONUS American Soldiers are unarmed (excluding military police).
     
  10. rebel100

    rebel100 New Member

    Yet to be confirmed, but NYC may have had its first lone wolf style attack. How many hatchets are there in the US and Canada?...if only this guy didn't have access to lawn care implements that officer wouldn't be in critical condition. Police: Hatchet-wielding suspect shot by officers


    Interesting too that once again NYPD officers with all their advanced firearms handling practice and training managed to shoot another innocent bystander...

    Where did the ISIS/rattlesnake analogy thread go???
     
  11. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Perhaps it's from the way many Canadians comment on gun violence in the U.S. as thought something similar could never happen there.
     
  12. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Just because a soldier is trained doesn't mean s/he's in special forces. Besides, the guy was guarding a tomb in Ottawa, which may be an important ceremonial role, but it's still one where one wouldn't expect to see combat.
     
  13. rebel100

    rebel100 New Member

    Reports I read indicate he was shot in the back, never saw the attack coming. Other reports indicate there were several people that ignored any danger and rushed to his aid performing CPR and trying to save him...bravery indeed. The police and soldiers went on the offensive as soon as they could and hunted the animal down ending the attack in a flurry of bullets. It was well handled as soon as they understood what was going down.
     
  14. rebel100

    rebel100 New Member

    Kevin Vickers receiving a standing ovation after saving God only knows how many in the Parliament building in Ottowa https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10152611339831336&fref=nf

    I understand he prefers a 3rd generation Smith and Wesson 9mm when he goes terrorist hunting...but wouldn't it have been great if skewered the killer with his ceremonial sword?
     
  15. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    Hollywood makes it look like an average officer can shoot with pinpoint accuracy from 25 meters away, but that is falsehood (a misnomer) which is believed by most people.

    In reality:

    1. The bullets can routinely be anywhere within a circumferential radius of two meters (or more) at the target-point, depending on the proficiency of the officer (it varies greatly).

    2. The average man/target is only about two feet wide (or 2/3rds of a meter).

    3. Anything that doesn't hit the target inevitably continues traveling until it hits something else, to include hitting innocent bystanders who are downrange from the shooter/officer/target.

    That reality is magnified in an urban dense area where people are standing or walking around in every inch of space, particularly in New York City.
     
  16. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    I meant to say per 100 people.
     
  17. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    They know this kind of stuff can happen there; they are just pointing out the fact that it happens a lot more often in the U.S.
     
  18. rebel100

    rebel100 New Member

    Absolutely! And it's equally true that the vast majority of gun crimes are not perpetrated by the vast majority of gun owners. Unless you threaten me in a violent fashion you have nothing to fear from my concealed weapon...yet the media try to make you think that people like me are responsible for Sandy Hook and Columbine.
     
  19. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    Not all gun owners commit gun crimes, but all gun crimes are committed by gun owners. ZING!

    How loud do I have to play my music before you feel threatened?

    What media, pray tell? If you wish to hypostatize, attribution can easily be redirected via the same type of cherry picking. 'The media try to make you think that Sandy Hook and Columbine would have been just as deadly if the assailants used slingshots and darts. That dang media! Always calculatedly misinforming the gullible public into thinking that my point of view is not obviously and irrefutably correct.'

    EDIT: Now, let me tell you rebel100, you'd have a hard time finding very many people who read and listen to as much news as I do. Heck, maybe you are one of those people yourself, but in that case, you'd know first hand that there aren't very many like us out there. No matter how many dozens of articles I read or stories I hear, I've yet to hear any mainstream media outlet blame Farmer Frank with a shotgun under his bed or City Sue who carries a pistol in her purse when she walks alone at night for any of the mass shootings that have occurred. The discussion is always about mental illness, bullying and, of course, the incredible ease with which even minors or mentally incompetent people can get their hands on a weapon that was designed for causing death as quickly and conveniently as possible. Legal or not- second amendment or no- that is an extremely important aspect of how those events occurred and it would be irresponsible for the "media" to either leave that part out of the discussion or turn every single report into a debate about the obvious: that only the perpetrators carried out the actions and not the tens of millions of other gun owners in this country who were somewhere else when it happened.
     
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  20. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member

    And then there are people like me, who get their news from degreeinfo.
     

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