University of the People Launches MBA Program

Discussion in 'General Distance Learning Discussions' started by scaredrain, Mar 15, 2016.

  1. Neuhaus

    Neuhaus Well-Known Member

    When I said "why not?" with regards to the UPeople MBA I didn't mean to imply that it was a good fit for everyone.

    For starters, I find that a good chunk of adult learners need an MBA as a "check the box" degree. That's the market that schools like Ashworth are catering to. Nobody is supercharging their business career because they put Ashworth on their resume. If you just need to "check the box" and you just want a school name that will have a mostly neutral standing in the eyes of most employers, and you're considering the UPeople MBA then, well, why not?

    Regarding the Strayer thread, I think there are a few differences that need to be clarified there as well. In that thread, the OP stated specifically that it was a deal with Strayer, not UPhoenix, and that it specifically did not include the Jack Welch MBA.

    At the time, I had assumed that the Jack Welch MBA was Strayer's only MBA program. In looking at their website it remains a bit unclear to me whether that is the case or whether Strayer has two separate programs (i.e. a non-Jack Welch MBA and a Jack Welch MBA). Regardless, I was operating under the assumption that the MBA was off the table and your choice of Master of Science degree was up for grabs.

    I would understand why a person would decline a UPhoenix MBA. MBAs are typically not "redone." Once you have an MBA it is generally assumed that it is your MBA. But a non-MBA Masters degree can provide an interesting broadening of your academic profile while leaving you room to earn a more prestigious MBA.

    If you gave me a free ride to Strayer I wouldn't want their MBA. But I don't think the M.S. in HR would harm me. Nor do I feel that having an M.S.M. and an M.S.H.R. would preclude me from later earning an MBA. If anything it would allow me to focus my MBA studies on a field other than HR with greater comfort. Maybe I would venture into an MBA in entrepreneurship or something else that might broaden my appeal to employers. If you gave me a free ride to UPhoenix I would probably be of the same mind. I wouldn't want their MBA but I'm sure that they have something in their offerings to appeal to me such as their Master of Information Science in Analytics. Something that would, again, broaden my appeal would have the greatest impact. And given how data driven HR is, how many HR positions now require or prefer SQL proficiency, something like that would be a temptation.

    Also, and on a far less important note, Strayer is not UPhoenix. While it may draw the ire of those who hate anything for-profit it doesn't immediately spring to people's minds as UPhoenix does. And while I'm certain they have their issues I've only ever heard former students speak fondly of Strayer while Phoenix has always been a mixed bag. Plus Phoenix attracts detractors who have had zero connection with the school yet always have an unnamed relative or friend who said it was a "joke."

    Anyway, I just wanted to clarify my position on both fronts as it appeared some may have interpreted my prior statements as a cavalier attitude toward earning degrees and career planning.
  2. Neuhaus

    Neuhaus Well-Known Member

    It's funny because after I posted it I immediately realized how many obvious schools I had omitted (WNMU, Hodges, Hobe Sound etc) which are frequent topics on this board alone. It is also difficult to try to think about it in an orderly way. First I tried by tier so I started with the Ivys and began working down. Then I shifted to geographic regions. Then I switched to religiously affiliated schools. Then schools that fit prior classifications began popping into my head.

    It was more mentally taxing then I thought it would be for sure.
  3. Maxwell_Smart

    Maxwell_Smart Active Member

    I remember seeing one tenured Professor with a fake Rochville degree, and another with a fake American College of Metaphysical Theology degree.

    You just gotta believe, Jennifer. You just gotta believe.
  4. cookderosa

    cookderosa Resident Chef

    Oh... I believe......I just won't participate lol
    Thanks for the chuckle.:ziplip:
  5. Neuhaus

    Neuhaus Well-Known Member

    It also matters greatly whether the degree in question was necessary for the position. Elsewhere we saw a tenured professor at a public university with a doctorate from Louisiana Baptist University. That could be problematic. However, he also had an RA/ABA JD and an RA MBA which were undoubtedly the credentials he was using to teach, I believe it was, accounting and business law.While his faculty page mentioned his LBU PhD it is a reasonable assumption that his JD and MBA were the reason he was hired (and in all likelihood he probably tacked on the PhD after he had been there for a while).

    And my NA Masters allows me to teach just fine. So, always exceptions to the rule anyway.
  6. Garp

    Garp Active Member

    Many RA programs don't cut it in higher ed where it is highly competitive. This is especially the case with the for profits where if they show up it is as an add on where the person had the position or on an adjunct where people barely care. For profit doctorates also work for pay purposes at Community College instructor positions to give a pay increase or added prestige of "Dr.".

    The U of People MBA is accredited and as Neuhaus pointed out, probably effective as an add on credential. Cost amazing. Is it a Harvard MBA? No, but neither is Phoenix at considerably more expense.

    I know a couple of people with RA doctorates from for profits and both teach at other for profits. Another is doing one simply as an add on credential, check the bucket list thing. In that instance, his RA from a for profit doctorate would probably be equivalent to an NA doctorate (except he will have more debt).
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  7. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    It depends. I've had instructors whose for-profit masters were used to qualify for a job that required an RA degree. Also, some schools may not give a pay increase for an NA degree.

    Sort of off topic, but I came across a Bureau of Justice Statistics fellowship that requires the applying schools to be regionally accredited. I've seen government agencies with restrictions on for-profit schools when it comes to research funding, but this is the first time I've seen a restriction on accreditation.
  8. AdamTheAlaskan

    AdamTheAlaskan New Member

    Student of UoPeople Here.

    I am currently studying with University of the People myself. Quite honestly, I was a bit skeptical when I first started their BS in Business Administration. How could a cheap university like this be of any count? How could they supply the quality instruction that could compete with these universities what have been around longer than I have been alive.

    However, I have found that between my studies at Nashville State Community College (NSCC), Gallaudet University (GU), Brigham Young University Idaho(BYU-I), Brigham Young University Hawaii (BYU-H) and University of the People (UoPeople), UoPeople has (in my opinion) one of the best online spirits (as in school spirit). The students are actually engaging in online discussions rather than just posting because it is required (although there are some who still just meet requirements).

    I have enjoyed my studies with UoPeople thus far. The only other school I have studied at that has been a real pleasure thus far has been BYU-H.

    This is just one students perspective though.
  9. Neuhaus

    Neuhaus Well-Known Member

    School spirit is an important element. I think Phoenix was trying for this with the socks thing. Because nothing says "I love my alma mater" like hosiery, I suppose. But schools that have spirit, whether surrounding athletics or not, are likely to build a strong alumni network over time. As I've said before, if Harvard resigned accreditation tomorrow it would still have a very strong network of alumni who would be recruiting from there.

    So I hope UPeople manages to pull this off. And I hope they build a strong reputation and succeed. Not because I particularly care about this individual school but because I want to see a school start from nothing and develop that sort of following in my lifetime. I feel like WGU went a ways toward that goal. And maybe they will become more broadly accepted. But I don't think "spirit" is really their shtick.
  10. powerman033

    powerman033 New Member

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  11. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator Staff Member

    Powerman's little post appears to be copied directly from the DEAC website. Whatever.
  12. Abner

    Abner Well-Known Member

    That's cheap

    At one time, Aspen was offering MBA's for $3,450.00. I completed my MBA for $4,000.00. I thought that was cheap at the time! That's great that you volunteer there. :)
  13. newsongs

    newsongs Member

    I would love to hear some detail about what the coursework is like at University of the People. I'd consider it.
  14. Abner

    Abner Well-Known Member

    Hi ns,

    I would probably ask Scaredrain directly, or post a question in this thread with his name in the subject title area! You can't beat the price! Just make sure NA accreditation will suit your future needs.
  15. newsongs

    newsongs Member

    Question for Scaredrain or anyone who has taken courses at the U of the People

    I would love to hear from anyone (IE Scaredrain) who has taken courses at U of the People. I would consider it and National Accreditation is fine by me. Thanks in advance.
  16. Abner

    Abner Well-Known Member

    You can also send him a pm. Just click on his name, and a box will come that says "send private message". Not sure if you know how to do that or not, just thought I would mention it. If NA works for you, the price is right.
  17. scaredrain

    scaredrain Member

    HI newsongs, I am not familiar with their MBA courses but I can tell you that their undergraduate courses are 9 weeks long, with the last week being just 4 days and consisting of the final course exam. Assignments are discussion board postings, learning journals, written assignments, and a couple of graded quizzes. All of the course content is open sourced and you usually access the content via links or pdf files etc. The instructor's at U of the People are facilitators (this is changing), with the students performing peer assessments on written assignments.
  18. AdamTheAlaskan

    AdamTheAlaskan New Member

    Hey newsongs, I am currently a student at UoPeople and can answer some questions if you like, what kind of questions exactly do you have about it?
  19. tribilin80

    tribilin80 Member

    admathealaskan, are you an MBA student? what is the workload for MBA courses? assignments exams? can you share a couple of syllabi?

  20. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    It occurs to me that Loveland College v. DEAC is potentially very bad news for the University of the People.

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